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The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph top speed, 46 mile range

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Re: The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph top speed, 46 mile range

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*> exempt from many regulations that make cars expensive. Which I never understood. If you're driving in the middle of the road, why does it matter if it's a NEV or a 18-wheeler? I think the same rules should apply. That NEV can be rear-ended by a regular car at 80km/h and the car driver will be fine with their airbags and whatnot while the NEV driver is probably dead.

So do bicycles need airbags and side impact protection and abs too then?

Bike lanes.

Re: The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph top speed, 46 mile range

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> the £7,695 tiny electric car that has no boot, a 28mph top speed and range of just 46 miles I live in Paris and do everything with an e-bike that also has no boot, no passenger seat, a top speed of ~20mph, a range of ~30 miles... but cost me around €1,200 (since I built it myself). It now has over 7,500 miles. In day trafic it's probably much faster than the Ami, and it can also be put on a train. Couldn't be happi…

It seems people are never thinking what happens if he is getting old. Good luck when you can still ride a bike when you are 70s and in the snow.

I mean the answer is to just put on a coat? In the upper midwest plenty of people switch to snowmobile based commutes and errand running in the winter for example. You aren't enclosed then. You survive, in fact people even find it fun.

Re: The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph top speed, 46 mile range

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> the £7,695 tiny electric car that has no boot, a 28mph top speed and range of just 46 miles I live in Paris and do everything with an e-bike that also has no boot, no passenger seat, a top speed of ~20mph, a range of ~30 miles... but cost me around €1,200 (since I built it myself). It now has over 7,500 miles. In day trafic it's probably much faster than the Ami, and it can also be put on a train. Couldn't be happi…

What are the death rates for bicyclists vs small cars like this? I recently considered a motorcycle and the death rates were too appalling for me to go through with it. Having a metal cage around you and windows is too vital for me. Edit: I found this. >The motorcycle fatality rate is over 17 times greater, and bicycle fatality rates are nearly 10 times greater than that for automobiles.

I think with the bike fatality rate especially thats pretty skewed by the fact that no one has any education on how to ride a bike safely on the road at all. At least with motorcycles you need to take a class to prove roadworthiness. Some people riding bikes are also perhaps drunk or high, the same is true for cars of course, but consider how often you see clearly not sober/mentally unwell people riding bikes in big cities these days and how often they might end up in dangerous situations. That being said if you bike safely by taking the lane for example, and you avoid a lot of potential accidents on a bike:

https://i.redd.it/x8qqewx3m7l91.png

Re: The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph top speed, 46 mile range

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The ultimate stage of evolution in personal urban transportation is the golf cart. On one end you have increasingly fat cargo bikes - some have roofs or windshields. On the other there are kei-cars, heavy quadricycles like the Twizy and now this. Like sea creatures evolving into crabs, it's converging into the perfect form.

The only issue is you still end up with all the issues cars have, especially the inefficiency of having people in a dense urban areas get around by standing in line 20 feet apart from eachother, which is what private vehicular traffic basically is, and of course the need for having some place to store the golf cart wherever you go on the other end. At least with bikes you can compress the peleton quite a bit at a light and they don't take up as much space to park (especially stacked vertically like in most bike hubs today), and on a bus you can probably fit a good 60 people inside at least and really maximize the ratio of people moved per square footage of roadspace consumed.

Re: The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph top speed, 46 mile range

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> Is it "increase the standard of living " when it decreases your life expectancy, physical shape Yes, it increases the standard of living by pulling poor people out of poverty. So the rich consumer nation has their life decreased due to over consumption while increasing the standard of living of those from poorer nations. The rich consumer nation cannot consume AND increase life expectancy at an infinite rate.

If it was that easy poverty wouldn't exist for decades

Simply look to China and India of the past few decades. With the US offshoring a majority of their manufacturers to China, it lifted their people out of poverty. The US outsourced a majority of their tech support / call center jobs to India and India has seen the same result. You may also look to Japan and semiconductors, and engines. Note these are only but some and small portions but if you zoom out it’s hard to miss.

Re: The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph top speed, 46 mile range

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> You can own multiple pair of shoes, and even have one stay at the office, same for pants. This hints at another counterpoint: it's not just yourself you have to protect from elements, but also whatever it is you want to transport with you. Like those extra shoes. Or electronics. Or groceries. Etc. Waterproof bags probably exist, but I can't say I've seen them available, or used, by anyone at all.

> Waterproof bags probably exist, but I can't say I've seen them available, or used, by anyone at all. What? Almost all non-cheap backpacks are water-proof. Water-proof packs are around everywhere .

I honestly never owned one in my life, nor I believe I ever seen one. Note that by "waterproof" I mean something I could stuff a laptop into and have it survive half an hour of heavy rain in it. Not something that will resist a small drizzle for few minutes before its inside surfaces start to get wet.

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I'm an American visiting Paris and have noticed many folks on scooters and ebikes have these skirts that are fabric covers that cover the bike seat and also the legs of the rider when they ride. They also have these mitten like things that attach to the handles that allow you to operate the bike but also protect your hands from the elements. Between those two things, and a decent rain jacket (which you need anyway) i…

Have you seen any solution they're using for transporting things , like groceries or computers or extra clothes?

Even without a cargo bike, I carry 20 to 25kg of groceries using a standard step thru city bike equipped with a front and rear rack and dual bags front and rear + backpack.

Re: The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph top speed, 46 mile range

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Hopefully, ever-increasing gas prices will do the convincing.

While I am a big human-powered-transportation supporter, feeding a human is generally more expensive than paying for gas to have a machine do it. A human needs some 2kJ / kg / km to ride. That's 1.6MJ. A car needs ~15L gas per 100km, so that's 45MJ for a 10km ride. While the car uses 30x as much energy, it will only cost you $1.30. The human needs 1.6MJ of food. That's about a grilled chicken sandwich. Which will cos…

Most people commuting by cars need to exercise at least 2-3 times a week to be healthy anyway. Commuting by foot, bicycle or any human powered way allows you to do the exercising and commuting in one go.

Re: The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph top speed, 46 mile range

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You can own multiple pair of shoes, and even have one stay at the office, same for pants. I do it and I don't feel like I'm having a miserable existence But fuck it, let's buy a car and fuck the planet, that's much more convenient, god forbid we sweat or touch the rain, oh the horror !

> let's buy a car and fuck the planet There’s currently football matches being played in Qatar in stadiums with AC set to 20°C in 32°C weather. Thousands of people have travelled there by plane. Me having a car is fine.

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Not_as_bad_as

Re: The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph top speed, 46 mile range

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I'm an American visiting Paris and have noticed many folks on scooters and ebikes have these skirts that are fabric covers that cover the bike seat and also the legs of the rider when they ride. They also have these mitten like things that attach to the handles that allow you to operate the bike but also protect your hands from the elements. Between those two things, and a decent rain jacket (which you need anyway) i…

Have you seen any solution they're using for transporting things , like groceries or computers or extra clothes?

In Paris, you will see a lot of uber eats/deliveroo/etc. drivers on bikes and electric mopeds. It reduces their costs by orders of magnitude while not really changing their delivery times (probably shortening them actually. Unrelated to the question, they drive extremely dangerously (because of the way they're paid, they're doing all they can to cut times. do not expect them to stop at red lights))

They have those huge backpacks [1]. Some fasten it like a kind of top-case.

[1]: https://images.app.goo.gl/XVyoMqpQiQFvC5EU8

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