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Ask HN: What are the implications of Hacker News alt accounts being revealed?

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Re: Ask HN: What are the implications of Hacker News alt accounts being revealed?

#21

I finetuned T5, a text-to-text transformer, with a loss function based on the cosine similarity of any given text with statements made by individual HN users. It's like Dreambooth but for text. I have been posting under 40 different alt accounts that approximate the top users of this site textually and match them within an 80th percentile. AMA.

Wait, you're posting AI-generated spam under 40 different accounts? That sounds very unethical.

Re: Ask HN: What are the implications of Hacker News alt accounts being revealed?

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I always assumed that some actors had this capability and acted accordingly. The existence of a publicly available tool merely democratizes this power. Anyone seeking complete and perpetual anonymity should have been practicing better opsec from the beginning.

HN should more to support privacy. Allow anonymous posts instead of forcing users into the pattern of throwaways that are linkable. Karma right now also makes it hard to use a throwaway per comment. getting downvoted on a first post might lock your account for some hours, so you are forced to build up karma with lots of posts. + give users a way to delete their profile once posted. If not whole comment history, at le…

If you're only using the account for one comment why do you care if it gets locked?

Re: Ask HN: What are the implications of Hacker News alt accounts being revealed?

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post #2

I always assumed that some actors had this capability and acted accordingly. The existence of a publicly available tool merely democratizes this power. Anyone seeking complete and perpetual anonymity should have been practicing better opsec from the beginning.

What opsec measures could one take against language analysis? Everyone has a particular style of writing, and the only way of hiding it I can think of is not writing anything at all.

> What opsec measures could one take against language analysis?

Be aware that it's almost impossible to defeat it, and act accordingly. More exactly, if you think that a tech-capable state actor is coming after you then you should be outside the reach of where said state actor holds its monopoly of power. Real text-anonymity is gone for good.

Re: Ask HN: What are the implications of Hacker News alt accounts being revealed?

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I always assumed that some actors had this capability and acted accordingly. The existence of a publicly available tool merely democratizes this power. Anyone seeking complete and perpetual anonymity should have been practicing better opsec from the beginning.

This argument, which the creator of the tool also uses, strikes me as essentially, “I’m going to harm you to show you that there is potential for you to be harmed”.

To make a crude analogy, what if I punched you in the face to demonstrate that you should consider learning kung fu? Or perhaps to indicate that, if a corporation wanted to, they could hire people to assault you and there would be little you could do about it? At the end of the day you’ve got a busted nose either way. Are you really better off?

Re: Ask HN: What are the implications of Hacker News alt accounts being revealed?

#26
One consequence is me realising just how meta and stuck-up-its-own-derriere HN is. I knew it's bad but I wasn't expecting a meta response to a meta post.

Perhaps we should just iterate. What does this post reveal about HN? Discuss.

Re: Ask HN: What are the implications of Hacker News alt accounts being revealed?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What opsec measures could one take against language analysis? Everyone has a particular style of writing, and the only way of hiding it I can think of is not writing anything at all.

use the same words and logics as everyone / some mainstream show like SNL ? Or force yourself to use completely different words every time ? Be open minded ? Comment under different posts to hide your interests ? Use short sentences ? Use newspeak ? Copy the features of other users ? I also talk to ppl from various backgrounds. I could prove you why you need to vote for any candidate, thanks to the logics of coworker…

> Use newspeak

Would only work if enough people did it. Otherwise all your accounts will stand out as being "the newspeak person"

Re: Ask HN: What are the implications of Hacker News alt accounts being revealed?

#28
It might just as well happen that some accounts are falsely detected as alts even though they really aren't. If people place too much trust in that tool, that might also have consequences for the account holders with little the account holders can to to prevent that.

Btw, how is having an account system without any option to close or delete the account - and which might contain your real name as username - compatible with the GDPR?

Re: Ask HN: What are the implications of Hacker News alt accounts being revealed?

#29

I finetuned T5, a text-to-text transformer, with a loss function based on the cosine similarity of any given text with statements made by individual HN users. It's like Dreambooth but for text. I have been posting under 40 different alt accounts that approximate the top users of this site textually and match them within an 80th percentile. AMA.

Wait, you're posting AI-generated spam under 40 different accounts? That sounds very unethical.

It's a text to text model. You train it on a sentence from the user phrased differently against their real sentence. Then you can write what you want, and the transformer alters the style to match another identity.

Re: Ask HN: What are the implications of Hacker News alt accounts being revealed?

#30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wait, you're posting AI-generated spam under 40 different accounts? That sounds very unethical.

It's a text to text model. You train it on a sentence from the user phrased differently against their real sentence. Then you can write what you want, and the transformer alters the style to match another identity.

Oh, I see; you're using it as a writing aid (to change your style) but the content you're posting is basically written by you. I have no problem with that, and that seems pretty cool!
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