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The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph top speed, 46 mile range

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Re: The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph top speed, 46 mile range

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Post by stuaxo »

jfengel wrote: post #38
bambax wrote: post #26

> the £7,695 tiny electric car that has no boot, a 28mph top speed and range of just 46 miles I live in Paris and do everything with an e-bike that also has no boot, no passenger seat, a top speed of ~20mph, a range of ~30 miles... but cost me around €1,200 (since I built it myself). It now has over 7,500 miles. In day trafic it's probably much faster than the Ami, and it can also be put on a train. Couldn't be happi…

As I understand it, cars are increasingly banned in downtown Paris (even glorified electric bikes like this). I haven't been since before pandemic but I really want to see that. It sounds like a great experiment.

They have pedestrianised some roads, but its hyperbolic to say they have "banned cars", there are plenty of places to drive if you you need to.

Re: The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph top speed, 46 mile range

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Post by MonaroVXR »

MontyCarloHall wrote: post #57
bambax wrote: post #26

> the £7,695 tiny electric car that has no boot, a 28mph top speed and range of just 46 miles I live in Paris and do everything with an e-bike that also has no boot, no passenger seat, a top speed of ~20mph, a range of ~30 miles... but cost me around €1,200 (since I built it myself). It now has over 7,500 miles. In day trafic it's probably much faster than the Ami, and it can also be put on a train. Couldn't be happi…

If it’s raining/snowing, or too hot, or too cold, I’d much rather be in an small enclosed car than exposed to the elements on a bike. The Ami has a primitive heater but no air conditioning, but there’s no reason that these limitations are inherent to a vehicle of this size. I imagine an Ami-sized car with creature comforts of a regular vehicle would sell extremely well in cities. Biking is great when the weather is a…

As a Dutch person im out here exposed to these elements on the bike and yes I do own a car and even when it rains I do take the bike,I'm adjusted too it.

I did never broke something, yes I did stupid things on a bike. Even in the snow and ice. Using a bicycle isn't difficult.

Re: The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph top speed, 46 mile range

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Post by MonaroVXR »

unglaublich wrote: post #96
MontyCarloHall wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If it’s raining/snowing, or too hot, or too cold, I’d much rather be in an small enclosed car than exposed to the elements on a bike. The Ami has a primitive heater but no air conditioning, but there’s no reason that these limitations are inherent to a vehicle of this size. I imagine an Ami-sized car with creature comforts of a regular vehicle would sell extremely well in cities. Biking is great when the weather is a…

That 'raining, snowing, too hot, too cold' argument keeps coming up. You know, we humans are perfectly capable of dressing up appropriately and just enjoying the fresh air, whether it's warm or cold. In fact, it makes you feel alive! Get the nice warm gloves and raincoat out for winter, or the super light and loose shirt with sunglasses for summer.

Agreed, the amount excuses that people have. I'm not talking about HN itself. Is too much.

Re: The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph top speed, 46 mile range

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Post by agateau »

peoplefromibiza wrote: post #132
ginko wrote: post #131

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Try getting hit by either a >400kg Ami or a 20kg bike each going 20km/h and let me know the results.

If you wanna have a conversation, please try at least to understand a few simple concepts. A bullet weights 50 grams. Would you prefer to be hit by a bike or a bullet?

I'd prefer a bullet, if it's traveling at 20km/h.

Re: The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph top speed, 46 mile range

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Post by agateau »

peoplefromibiza wrote: post #87
bambax wrote: post #26

> the £7,695 tiny electric car that has no boot, a 28mph top speed and range of just 46 miles I live in Paris and do everything with an e-bike that also has no boot, no passenger seat, a top speed of ~20mph, a range of ~30 miles... but cost me around €1,200 (since I built it myself). It now has over 7,500 miles. In day trafic it's probably much faster than the Ami, and it can also be put on a train. Couldn't be happi…

Good for you. That does not invalidate the point of a mean of transport alternative to big empty cars riding one person each and to bikes, that ride one person each and have no trunk. Bikes are also more dangerous than small slow 4 wheeled vehicles. Because, you know, bikes don't stand on their own, their braking abilities are very limited due to very thin tyres, they have no stop and turn signals, no rearview mirror…

I used to take the subway in Paris. Now I ride a bike, carefully. I don't ignore traffic lights. And even riding this way I am always surprised that I'm faster than the subway. No connections, no wait, arriving directly at the exact destination helps.

Not to mention no need to stand in an overcrowded metal box.

Re: The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph top speed, 46 mile range

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Post by lm28469 »

factsarelolz wrote: post #246
lm28469 wrote: post #197

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Is it "increase the standard of living " when it decreases your life expectancy, physical shape, made the city unliveable for pedestrians, potentially fuck up the climate for the next few hundred years, &c ? At some point we have to look in the mirror and make choices for ourselves, and yes, lots of people became absolutely pathetic excuse of human beings, if you can't stand the rain I'm sorry but you definitely are…

> Is it "increase the standard of living " when it decreases your life expectancy, physical shape Yes, it increases the standard of living by pulling poor people out of poverty. So the rich consumer nation has their life decreased due to over consumption while increasing the standard of living of those from poorer nations. The rich consumer nation cannot consume AND increase life expectancy at an infinite rate.

If it was that easy poverty wouldn't exist for decades

Re: The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph top speed, 46 mile range

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Post by lm28469 »

thiht wrote: post #286
lm28469 wrote: post #135

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You can own multiple pair of shoes, and even have one stay at the office, same for pants. I do it and I don't feel like I'm having a miserable existence But fuck it, let's buy a car and fuck the planet, that's much more convenient, god forbid we sweat or touch the rain, oh the horror !

> let's buy a car and fuck the planet There’s currently football matches being played in Qatar in stadiums with AC set to 20°C in 32°C weather. Thousands of people have travelled there by plane. Me having a car is fine.

The two aren't mutually exclusive

Re: The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph top speed, 46 mile range

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Post by [deleted] »

missedthecue wrote: post #185
Mistletoe wrote: post #34

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What are the death rates for bicyclists vs small cars like this? I recently considered a motorcycle and the death rates were too appalling for me to go through with it. Having a metal cage around you and windows is too vital for me. Edit: I found this. >The motorcycle fatality rate is over 17 times greater, and bicycle fatality rates are nearly 10 times greater than that for automobiles.

Almost 100% of fatal bicycle accidents involve a vehicle. In urban areas where cars are banned or unable to navigate, the cycling death rate is basically zero. It's sort of like a market failure. It's in everyone's best interest to ride bicycles, but since we can't individually control what everyone else does, it's in our best interest to ride automobiles -- thus continuing the safety issue.

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Post by tuatoru »

marci wrote: post #215
moonchrome wrote: post #196

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I used to own a motorcycle and I commute with a bycicle in ~mediteranian climate. The only two accidents I've ever had on a motorcycle were low speed manuvers in heavy rain when I got caught by a shower. On a bike just riding on a slippery road is terrible and wading through umbrellas, getting splashed by cars in traffic, rain in the eyes. Riding on two wheels makes you extremely exposed - ebikes are just shit motorc…

Unfortunately, there are some places where the whole city is delusional, like in Finland https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uhx-26GfCBU /s

It's more like the US is delusional. It was gaslit by General Motors in the 1940s and 1950s.

(Yesterday I watched a youtube called "Retrofuturism", that turned out to be, nearly verbatim, an old propaganda piece by GM. It was only about using cars and roads, not about the future (i.e., our world) at all. Some parts were hilarious, but overall it was deeply depressing.)

Re: The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph top speed, 46 mile range

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Post by gtirloni »

imoverclocked wrote: post #182
gtirloni wrote: post #166

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*> exempt from many regulations that make cars expensive. Which I never understood. If you're driving in the middle of the road, why does it matter if it's a NEV or a 18-wheeler? I think the same rules should apply. That NEV can be rear-ended by a regular car at 80km/h and the car driver will be fine with their airbags and whatnot while the NEV driver is probably dead.

You shouldn’t be on roads that are heavily trafficked by fast moving vehicles with this kind of vehicle in the first place. I own an electric Ranger (not Highway legal) for around my place and it fills a real need. There is no need for airbags or anything of the like on it. I didn’t even bother purchasing it with a windshield. The biggest threat to me in that vehicle is the dense vegetation and steep hills I often dr…

*> You shouldn’t be on roads that are heavily trafficked

Please help me understand. NEVs are road-worthy but not all-roads-worthy? Is there any law against NEVs in heavily trafficked roads? If not, it's left to common sense?

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