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Re: Z-library founders arrested in Argentina

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It's very simple actually. You (and most of HN) live in a tech industry bubble. Living wages in the U.S are terrible and disposable income is non-existent. I work a 9-5 just like everyone else but when it comes down to it I don't have the money to buy new books. I can either buy used paperback from a second-hand store, go to the library, or pirate an epub. None of these options pay the original author and are effecti…

Renting from a library does in fact pay the author, at least in the UK

Unfortunately, here in AR-15 land that's considered dirty communism.

Re: Z-library founders arrested in Argentina

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Who cares. Don't be a free-loader.

I find it interesting that zlib is supposed to be compensated for their servers but the authors aren't supposed to be compensated for their writings. Personally, I'm in support of zlib / libgen / other illegalist libraries. But it is kind of funny to see where the morality lies on this.

Your argument is skewed.

Z-Library guys didn't extradite any site users who didn't pay for their servers and handed them effective life sentences.

Re: Z-library founders arrested in Argentina

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This context free numbers isn't illustrative or even useful. The world isn't populated by median Americans earning median salaries in a median cost of living area. Imagine 5 households in areas where the poverty line for their household size are 30k 50k and 70k 70k 70k We have could have learned from the sample that the majority live in areas where wages are higher but so are costs of living and the median value is 7…

>None of these facts about the actual distribution of wealth and income is captured by looking at a median income and making up a fiction about what an imaginary American can afford. Funny you would end by writing of making up a fiction about what an imaginary American can afford when both this comment and your other one are imaginary realities. You say rent takes up most of some $70k, it doesn't. You say "all partie…

Seems I didn't make myself clear the point is that looking at the median income tells you nothing about the actual distribution of disposable income because someone barely making it in a high income zone could trivially have what seems like a high income and have little disposable income. This is especially true with rent and cost of living both rising faster than most people's incomes. The bottom half has little disposable income everywhere except for your projections.

Before I get to some numbers nobody will read the fact is I doubt very much that most readers here have anything but a passing understanding of what its like to actually be at the bottom.

Lets zoom on down to irving and imagine we are dealing with a parent or 2 and 1 kid and need a 2 bedroom apartment. Going on a brief peruse of apartments.com I'm seeing a 2 br apartment starts at about 2600 USDA thrifty food plan would suggest about 780 per month for 3 people depending on age and sex.

If we can't actually deal with both people working while using just public transit we will have to probably burn 800 a month for car payment, insurance, upkeep and gas.

Electricity/water another 300-350

Phones another 60 minimum, internet 80

Now lets talk about health insurance we are probably going to pay about $500 and easily more like 750 for something that isn't a complete joke.

Now lets talk about savings because if we don't have any the first time the car needs to be repaired we're all going to lose our jobs and end up homeless plus at some point we will have to retire so allocate $500 for that.

We are at about 6000 a month while still only sketching out the outline of a life. I'm assuming our fictional family would also like to wear cloths, by toilet paper, wash their clothes, have some form of entertainment and enlightenment, maybe even engage in the normal family activity of having a pet animal of some sort bigger than a hamster.

We would probably be able to live a reasonable life for more like 7000 a month or 84,000. This means Joe median+ is probably OK but again ONE HALF OF PEOPLE ARE BELOW THE MEDIAN BY DEFINITION AND THEY ARE NOT EVENLY DISTRIBUTED IN TOTAL OR DISPOSABLE INCOME. Most of the poor folks are seeing their already insufficient wages and the cost of health insurance and rent going up and wondering if they can afford to pay rent and health care in 5 years while you insist they have plenty of money to spare. You don't live in the same universe. Going to move.org gives you an incredibly shitty approximation of what it actually costs to live your life. You know less by far than you think you do.

Re: Z-library founders arrested in Argentina

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I looked up the actual citation. Here's what I found interesting: Copyright theft became a crime (versus tort) in 1990 and only applied to the sale of physical copies. It expanded to digital distribution in 2008. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/17/506

Thanks very much for turning this up.

Re: Z-library founders arrested in Argentina

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I know this won't be a popular take on HN, but while I can understand and to a certain extent sympathize with pirating movies (the intentional friction and arbitrary geographic limitations on access imposed by the multinational movie-industry conglomerates), I can't see stealing some poor author's work in the same light. Sure, people get hung-up about DRM (which can easily be removed by widely-accessible tools), but…

Many of the books I am interested in have actually been financed by tax payers, because their authors are professors. These days publishers are not adding much value here, actually they often make high quality publishing harder by terrible off-shore handling of LaTeX. I've bought quite a few ebooks from the AMS (American Mathematical Society), just to get very angry about the annoying small print on the bottom of EVE…

Not only that, but many publishers, specifically scientific ones, seem to get in the way of the natural near-0 marginal cost of digital publishing. Information should be available to all by default, because the value of having it freely available is much more than even what people could be expected to individually all pay for it. In the end, having a million paywalls and restricting information for disadvantaged individuals is not rational (or ethical), or effective for a society.

Re: Z-library founders arrested in Argentina

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A small thought experiment: - Book sales in 2021 were about _9_ billion dollars. [0] - Wage theft in the US is estimated at _50_ billion dollars. [1] Can you imagine if the resources of the justice and labour departments would prioritize citizen wage over publishers' revenue? Would you rather have funds allocated towards social justice or have them spent on intimidating foreign nationals completely outside US jurisdi…

What these criminals were doing is wage theft. As someone who earns money from books, I would like to personally thank the US Justice Department for their excellent work in shutting down this operation, that was stealing my wages.

hey Lee, I just checked out your website.

> 17/11/2022 9:49 Minimizing the Elastic Energy of Growing Leaves by Conformal Mapping: I learned to love conformal mapping while studying fluid dynamics. This is a fascinating application.

The paper you linked is a closed-access paper.

https://journals.aps.org/prl/pdf/10.1103/PhysRevLett.129.218...

Did you use sci-hub to access it or did you actually pay the AIP $35 to read it?

If you used sci-hub, I consider you to be a hypocrite.

Maybe I should personally invite all of the people who read your books to reconsider your opinion on the freedom of information when considering buying any of your books.

Re: Z-library founders arrested in Argentina

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Physical copy degrades over time and can be destroyed or lost. Download can't.

Downloads can cease to exist at a moments notice, with nothing you can do about it.

Right, and publishers can control that.

Re: Z-library founders arrested in Argentina

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It's human culture. The idea that it should be the sole provenance of rich multi-nationals to decide who can afford to read is disgusting. It should all be freely accessible. Removing money from the equation would also solve other quality issues.

It's 'disgusting' to suggest others should have to labour for you for free - and suggesting 'removing money from the issue would solve' issues is more than naive, it's glib. IP is not 'corporate protectionism'. The entire system absolutely depends on it, moreover, the vast majority of IP holders are very small entities. Particularly in this case, authors. The internet is actually a greatly liberating opportunity for…

> IP is not 'corporate protectionism'.

That's all it is.

Funny how no books got written before IP existed.

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