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"the Egyptians did it bigger" is a far cry from your original claim that there was "not much in the way of civilization" there at all.
I see it the same way. Semi nomadic bands of a couple hundred people without permanent structures is "not much in the way of civilization".
Japanese have been producing wood for 700 years without cutting down trees
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I see it the same way. Semi nomadic bands of a couple hundred people without permanent structures is "not much in the way of civilization".
This is the fundamental difference in our views. I believe that the permanence of cultural output is arbitrary to the value of the culture, especially to those who participate in that culture.
I think we've been having disjoint discussions.
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Yes, we worked very deliberately to eradicate those indigenous civilizations, and finally isolate what remained of them from white America. I’m not sure why people keep bringing up political institutions when the conversation is clearly about cultural institutions.
As the numerous other commentators have identified, people are bringing up politicl institutions because your key point proposing differentiation is defined by political institutions, such as the American revolution, but fails to account for continuity and evolution of cultural institutions that persist beyond those changes. Like continuity of the tossed salad blend of Americans. But, my original comment to you is th…
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We fought multiple wars to sever those ties. Then allowed generations of non-Anglo immigration, not to mention slavery. There are far more Americans who claim German descent than English. Irish, too. And Blacks.
That’s one of the reasons I used the word “primarily”, which is a word that I would defend. Even if many Americans don’t personally have much English descent, the shared cultural narrative of the country starts there. The central complaint of the American Revolution was that the British were infringing on our traditional “rights of Englishmen”, which evolved over centuries. We’ve retained the English language and the…
1 German 46,403,053
2 Black/African-American (non-Hispanic) 38,785,726
3 Mexican (of any race) 34,640,287
4 Irish 33,526,444
5 English 24,787,018
Re: Japanese have been producing wood for 700 years without cutting down trees
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That’s one of the reasons I used the word “primarily”, which is a word that I would defend. Even if many Americans don’t personally have much English descent, the shared cultural narrative of the country starts there. The central complaint of the American Revolution was that the British were infringing on our traditional “rights of Englishmen”, which evolved over centuries. We’ve retained the English language and the…
The US Census, self-identified ancestry. 1 German 46,403,053 2 Black/African-American (non-Hispanic) 38,785,726 3 Mexican (of any race) 34,640,287 4 Irish 33,526,444 5 English 24,787,018