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The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph top speed, 46 mile range

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Re: The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph top speed, 46 mile range

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Post by Kukumber »

zac23or wrote: post #225
Kukumber wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

i think it's cute, it's very small, practical for a city life it's not meant to be luxurious, it's meant to be affordable and it's not meant to "look like a car", it's meant to be useful and practical To quote the article: "In France, anyone from the age of 14 can drive one without a licence. You can also hire an Ami on a short-term basis in Paris. For €0.26-a-minute (with a subscription fee of €9.90 per month) you c…

> and it's not meant to "look like a car", it's meant to be useful and practical How many "Ugly electric practical and useful electric cars" sell well?

i never said they are "ugly", you said "it is ugly", that's your opinion

my opinion is: "it's cute"

i don't understand why you change my words, it wasn't to your liking?

Re: The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph top speed, 46 mile range

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Post by masklinn »

tengwar2 wrote: post #273
ZeroGravitas wrote: post #85

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Citroen has a Cybertruck version of this too, called the Oli: https://www.electrifying.com/blog/article/the-ami-gets-a-big...

It's only a research project, unfortunately. I'd be seriously interested in buying one.

It’s certainly fun seeing Citroen going back to being absolute weirdoes.

Re: The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph top speed, 46 mile range

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Post by masklinn »

WirelessGigabit wrote: post #189

Being from Europe. Where they have those tiny So now you're on a road with a 90kph speed limit and this guy pulls in front of you. Maxing out at 45.

> So now you're on a road with a 90kph speed limit and this guy pulls in front of you. Maxing out at 45.

Oh yeah, the horror. Which doesn’t routinely happen. Because license-less cars didn’t exist. And neither did farm equipment with a max speed of 30.

Re: The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph top speed, 46 mile range

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Post by masklinn »

naijaboiler wrote: post #198
Milo0841 wrote: post #188

Any "neighborhood" car in the U.S. needs decent acceleration and a top speed of 45 mph to work in traffic. Even when the speed limit is 30 mph you'll need to speed up to pass a turning vehicle or to avoid a pedestrian. Anything less just isn't safe for everyone involved. I'm OK with small size, limited range and even the lack of safety features in my sedate neighborhood where I know the streets, potholes and driving…

this is a golf cart pretending to be a car.

It’s literally not classified as a car, and driveable by people who can’t drive cars, how is it pretending to be a car? Because it has 4 wheels and is fully enclosed?

Re: The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph top speed, 46 mile range

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Post by moonchrome »

emptysongglass wrote: post #264
moonchrome wrote: post #196

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I used to own a motorcycle and I commute with a bycicle in ~mediteranian climate. The only two accidents I've ever had on a motorcycle were low speed manuvers in heavy rain when I got caught by a shower. On a bike just riding on a slippery road is terrible and wading through umbrellas, getting splashed by cars in traffic, rain in the eyes. Riding on two wheels makes you extremely exposed - ebikes are just shit motorc…

I'll be another voice to say you're speaking from a myopic perspective. The Dutch bike through rain, sleet or snow without any difficulty. Modern electric cargo bikes like their favorite, Urban Arrow, are fantastically balanced and need only a trained rider to handle through a wide variety of inclement weather.

> Around two-thirds of the 110,000 traffic victims treated in Dutch hospitals in 2021 were cyclists, according to VeiligheidNL.

www.techtimes.com/amp/articles/274249/20220413/e-bike-injuries-rise-despite-safety-precautions-according-dutch-organization.htm

And that's in a place with top tier biking infrastructure.

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Post by thiht »

lm28469 wrote: post #135
thiht wrote: post #115

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Except when you go to work and have to spend the day with your pants and shoes drenched. And if you have glasses, you quickly can't see anything.

You can own multiple pair of shoes, and even have one stay at the office, same for pants. I do it and I don't feel like I'm having a miserable existence But fuck it, let's buy a car and fuck the planet, that's much more convenient, god forbid we sweat or touch the rain, oh the horror !

> let's buy a car and fuck the planet

There’s currently football matches being played in Qatar in stadiums with AC set to 20°C in 32°C weather. Thousands of people have travelled there by plane.

Me having a car is fine.

Re: The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph top speed, 46 mile range

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Post by clouddrover »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #66
HNDV wrote: post #58

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>(Tesla is building their own lithium refinery in Texas to drive down battery costs; point me to an automaker that is doing the same, they can barely source batteries at the scale they need) With this kind of statement I have to believe you're arguing in bad faith. Even manufacturers that haven't jumped onto the full electric bandwagon like Toyota are ramping up manufacturing, see : https://www.thestreet.com/investin…

It’s great to hear these auto makers are playing catch-up now wrt battery manufacturing capacity compared to when Tesla announced their Gigafactory in 2014. It only took a decade. I’m not being disingenuous, I’m just pointing out poor businesses operations, forecasting, and a lack of will at legacy automakers. Only very recently did Toyota shift their strategy from hydrogen to batteries because Tesla gave them no cho…

> Why would you let your competitor who are barely trying to deliver EVs freeload on it?

This is such strange thinking. It's not like Tesla will give away free charging. The reality is more EVs using your chargers means more revenue. High utilization is better than low utilization. But you won't listen to me about it, so listen to Tesla instead:

https://www.theverge.com/2021/7/28/22596337/tesla-supercharg...

This is what Tesla is already doing in Europe. It's easy in Europe because Europe has a common charging standard in CCS Type 2 Combo:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Y33AArvMUQ

A big benefit of CCS for Tesla owners is that they can easily switch to other charging networks when Tesla's network is uncompetitive:

https://www.electrive.com/2022/11/23/tesla-reduces-superchar...

The sad thing for North America is that it looks like Tesla will take the extremely cynical approach of allowing low volume manufacturers (like Aptera) to use Tesla's chargers if they adopt Tesla's plug. Hence the recent announcement of Tesla's plug supposedly being "open" and a "standard" now (as opposed to Tesla's previous faux openness):

https://www.tesla.com/blog/opening-north-american-charging-s...

Tesla believes that having the chargers support more than one manufacturer in this way will qualify Tesla chargers for US government subsidies. Tesla wants public funds, but doesn't want to provide public infrastructure by using CCS Type 1 Combo.

Maybe they'll allow other EVs to charge using a dongle, maybe they won't. But having to carry around a dongle merely to charge your car is just dumb. One more thing to buy, one more thing to lose, one more thing to break. Europe shows it doesn't need to be that way.

Closed, incompatible charging infrastructure makes EVs worse than ICE vehicles. You can fuel your ICE vehicle at any fueling station and you should be able to charge your EV at any charging station. Anything less is backward, primitive, and underdeveloped.

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Post by mnkv »

moonchrome wrote: post #285
emptysongglass wrote: post #264

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'll be another voice to say you're speaking from a myopic perspective. The Dutch bike through rain, sleet or snow without any difficulty. Modern electric cargo bikes like their favorite, Urban Arrow, are fantastically balanced and need only a trained rider to handle through a wide variety of inclement weather.

> Around two-thirds of the 110,000 traffic victims treated in Dutch hospitals in 2021 were cyclists, according to VeiligheidNL. www.techtimes.com/amp/articles/274249/20220413/e-bike-injuries-rise-despite-safety-precautions-according-dutch-organization.htm And that's in a place with top tier biking infrastructure.

The victims are cyclists because so many dutch people cycle! (Because the infrastructure is so good)

Per Capita, cycling in the Netherlands is far far safer than cycling in the US.

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Post by tmnvix »

moonchrome wrote: post #285
emptysongglass wrote: post #264

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'll be another voice to say you're speaking from a myopic perspective. The Dutch bike through rain, sleet or snow without any difficulty. Modern electric cargo bikes like their favorite, Urban Arrow, are fantastically balanced and need only a trained rider to handle through a wide variety of inclement weather.

> Around two-thirds of the 110,000 traffic victims treated in Dutch hospitals in 2021 were cyclists, according to VeiligheidNL. www.techtimes.com/amp/articles/274249/20220413/e-bike-injuries-rise-despite-safety-precautions-according-dutch-organization.htm And that's in a place with top tier biking infrastructure.

This doesn't mean much absent ridership statistics.

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Post by Doctor_Fegg »

yafbum wrote: post #217
lm28469 wrote: post #190

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I must live a very peculiar life then. All I need is a backpack and a rain coat, it's been 7 years or so and I haven't experienced anything life changing so far I get on my bike, go to the store, office, friends, &c. rain, snow, sun, wind, it won't kill you really

Let me guess No kids? What you described was my bike centric life as well until it wasn't. When you have to do school drop-off a couple miles away for middle schoolers, or do that weekly store run for a family, it gets a bit trickier on the bike.

I do the school run (3 hilly miles each way) seven times a week on an e-bike - a Tern GSD. It’s fine. Our kid loves it and so do his friends (we share lifts). We do have a car but I haven’t driven it since August.
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