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German privacy watchdogs conclude that Microsoft 365 is incompatible with GDPR

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Re: German privacy watchdogs conclude that Microsoft 365 is incompatible with GDPR

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This will have absolutely zero impact. Everybody knows you must use Microsoft products and if those don't comply with regulations, the regulations will have to change...

What a depressing reality where hostile US corporate data privacy practices and hostile US surveillance law take de facto priority over the EU's own privacy legislation meant to protect its own residents. I wish the EU politicians and regulators were more willing to enforce their own rules, and that the ECJ were more willing to be explicit rather than implicit about the meaning of its Schrems rulings, all of which wo…

What a depressing reality where hostile US corporate data privacy practices and hostile US surveillance law take de facto priority over the EU's own privacy legislation meant to protect its own residents.

The EU has provisions for very similar "hostile surveillance law" in its own member states. It just gave them a get out of jail free card in the GDPR. There is a considerable amount of hypocrisy about the EU's positions on privacy and data protection.

The trouble with this whole subject is that you get grandstanding politicians trying to make big statements that go so far that it becomes unrealistic to enforce them because you'd cause catastrophic economic and/or social damage. If you really want to improve things what you need is steady, incremental progress towards restricting unwanted invasions of privacy. You can start with the most invasive commercial spyware. After a while you have moved the Overton window so that the worst excesses of governments' own surveillance programmes start to become viable candidates for reform as well. Ideally you eventually move societies away from the politics of fear that motivates those kinds of mass surveillance laws but that doesn't seem likely any time soon.

Re: German privacy watchdogs conclude that Microsoft 365 is incompatible with GDPR

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People think this will hurt MS, but in reality it will also make doing business in Europe more expensive. Almost all big companies use M365. It will keep these already slow organizations busy trying to find and implement alternatives. Instead they could focus on growing their businesses. Good luck Europe.

I don't disagree that finding alternatives will be expensive, but I think this is the same harmful thinking we have in the US where people disagree with regulation that adds necessary protection at the cost of business. So we have a "regulation is bad" mindset. Most prominently I wish we could convince companies here to believe handling/retaining unnecessary data is like handling something radioactive. Until we convi…

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Re: German privacy watchdogs conclude that Microsoft 365 is incompatible with GDPR

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't disagree that finding alternatives will be expensive, but I think this is the same harmful thinking we have in the US where people disagree with regulation that adds necessary protection at the cost of business. So we have a "regulation is bad" mindset. Most prominently I wish we could convince companies here to believe handling/retaining unnecessary data is like handling something radioactive. Until we convi…

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I wish you luck in your new life in Somalia.

Re: German privacy watchdogs conclude that Microsoft 365 is incompatible with GDPR

#54
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These people keep acting like they're so clever for figuring this out, yet in reality all they're doing is giving death sentences to European companies by making them unable to use industry standard products.

Or it will force the European market to innovate instead of directly sending cash to US Megacorps.

Its harder as Europeans are scared of debt, its just a system based on misery and poverty where the rich are richer and the poor just produce cheap migrant workforce for northern europeans

Re: German privacy watchdogs conclude that Microsoft 365 is incompatible with GDPR

#55
post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People think this will hurt MS, but in reality it will also make doing business in Europe more expensive. Almost all big companies use M365. It will keep these already slow organizations busy trying to find and implement alternatives. Instead they could focus on growing their businesses. Good luck Europe.

I don't disagree that finding alternatives will be expensive, but I think this is the same harmful thinking we have in the US where people disagree with regulation that adds necessary protection at the cost of business. So we have a "regulation is bad" mindset. Most prominently I wish we could convince companies here to believe handling/retaining unnecessary data is like handling something radioactive. Until we convi…

I am not even sure where to start. What are we afraid of? What can happen with the data? In Sweden all tax filings are public. No one cares.

Re: German privacy watchdogs conclude that Microsoft 365 is incompatible with GDPR

#56
365 is the cloud base suite of Microsoft Office, you can still use the Microsoft Office 2021 Professional or older versions.

365 is a nice way of collaborate at work, if you are a small business is a nice product, for the big companies this is just going to be more headache for their I.T department, so now instead of relying in the Microsoft servers to allocate and store the documents, they will use any other server from who knows what company and hosted who knows where, some will be hosted with e2ee including at rest while others will end up using some shit show of servers from a company owned by some dude from not so friendly countries.

I understand that privacy for companies is a big risk, but regulating it this way can easily end with a cobra effect.

Re: German privacy watchdogs conclude that Microsoft 365 is incompatible with GDPR

#57

This will have absolutely zero impact. Everybody knows you must use Microsoft products and if those don't comply with regulations, the regulations will have to change...

What a depressing reality where hostile US corporate data privacy practices and hostile US surveillance law take de facto priority over the EU's own privacy legislation meant to protect its own residents. I wish the EU politicians and regulators were more willing to enforce their own rules, and that the ECJ were more willing to be explicit rather than implicit about the meaning of its Schrems rulings, all of which wo…

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Re: German privacy watchdogs conclude that Microsoft 365 is incompatible with GDPR

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post #44

These people keep acting like they're so clever for figuring this out, yet in reality all they're doing is giving death sentences to European companies by making them unable to use industry standard products.

Or it will force the European market to innovate instead of directly sending cash to US Megacorps.

Works very well for Cuba and North Korea

Re: German privacy watchdogs conclude that Microsoft 365 is incompatible with GDPR

#59
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finally, this is really great news for anyone european, I hope it won't take long to determine there are a whole lot of other MS products that should also be illegal

How is that great news? The competition is literally decades behind.

This is crippling Europe.

Re: German privacy watchdogs conclude that Microsoft 365 is incompatible with GDPR

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These people keep acting like they're so clever for figuring this out, yet in reality all they're doing is giving death sentences to European companies by making them unable to use industry standard products.

Or it will force the European market to innovate instead of directly sending cash to US Megacorps.

If you think Microsoft is a "US Megacorp" you are tuly underestimating their global reach and ownership.
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