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Ghana plans to buy oil with gold instead of dollars

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Re: Ghana plans to buy oil with gold instead of dollars

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So what? Rates go up, dollars get more valuable, it's more expensive to buy dollars than it used to be, and each dollar buys more oil than before .

But only one entity prints dollars so that's the catch/unfair advantage of the U.S.

The Fed has a huge influence of course, since they are the largest issuer and politically close to the authority that determines what a dollar is. But Dollars are also created by other banks on their balance sheets, many of them outside the US.

Re: Ghana plans to buy oil with gold instead of dollars

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And this the entire problem. The dollar shouldn't be a global currency.

Why? The eurozone can’t hold itself together, China is a house of cards with bad planned economy failures, the uk isn’t worth mentioning any more, and everywhere else either has unstable economies or economies based on volatile or limited lifetime commodities. The dollar is the global reserve currency because the US has centuries of reasonable behavior and military and natural resources that guarantee long term stabi…

An alternative could be a basket of currencies and goods that is somewhat stable even if parts of it are unstable.

Re: Ghana plans to buy oil with gold instead of dollars

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FTX's collapse has left its mark, but this will only be temporary. Bitcoin is already demonstrating its usefulness by helping countries evade economic sanctions. There are a truckload of nations who're fed up with the West's financial dominance and are actively seeking alternatives.

> FTX's collapse has left its mark, but this will only be temporary Bitcoin was down well in advance of the FTX collapse. The reason it is down is because it's a Ponzi scheme, and an unconscionable waste of resources so that cryptobros can LARP at being a libertarian.

> The reason it is down is because it's a Ponzi scheme

Is the rest of the stonks also a ponzi scheme? Because if you didn't notice, those are also very down.

Re: Ghana plans to buy oil with gold instead of dollars

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> because the Russian currency has, through a series of impressive self owns, become completely useless. Huh. Checks forex rates . Not worthless, USD/RUB went from 100 to 60. It's worth 167% what it was before Feb 2022. How do you explain that? So many people forget that the value of a currency derives from considerations of supply and demand. When Russia said it demands to be paid in Rubles for some commodities, the…

(laughs satanically) Oh, well, Forex rates! Go try to buy USD with RUB for this rate. Go try to wire those USD out of Russia. Go try to withdraw your USD in cash. Go try to export that cash from Russia. I am sorry for sounding like a jerk, but you don't understand the current situation in Russia. Country is under heavy sanctions and they are mountaining more and more every month. A good chunk of sovereign reserves ar…

> Oh, well, Forex rates! Go try to buy USD with RUB for this rate. Go try to wire those USD out of Russia. Go try to withdraw your USD in cash. Go try to export that cash from Russia. I am sorry for sounding like a jerk, but you don't understand the current situation in Russia.

I mean, you must live in the U.S., which explains why you think your experience generalizes to the whole world and why you think if something is unavailable in the U.S., then it must be unavailable in the whole world.

But for other readers, consider for a moment that there is a world outside of Europe and North America. Consider for another moment that the vast majority of the planet lives in that world -- the world where Russia isn't being sanctioned, where you can purchase Russian output and sell goods to Russia, and demand for Rubles is high because even in the poorest nation on earth, they still need to buy oil, wheat, and fertilizer. They may not be importing a lot of iPhones, but Russian output they will import. This is why despite the sanctions imposed by a small minority of nations, the majority of nations is still purchasing Russian output, which is why Russia exported more to the rest of the World in 2022 than what was purchased in total in 2021. Shocking, I know.

In terms of how you trade fiat currencies, you need to keep in mind that fiat is non-convertible and therefore doesn't leave its own banking system.

All dollars are held in the U.S. system, and for a foreigner in, say, Brazil, to buy dollars, they become a depositor of a bank in Brazil which has a relationship with a bank in the U.S. that is a correspondent bank for the Brazilian bank. The Brazilian bank is a depositor in that U.S. bank, and the U.S. bank buys the dollars and holds them in an account assigned to the Brazilian bank, but which actually exists in the US system. Then the Brazilian bank creates a matching entry in the Brazilian system and assigns ownership of that corresponding account to you. But the dollars stay in the U.S. (here I am ignoring paper money, which can travel, but isn't important for forex rates.). When you decide to sell the dollars, the clearance happens in the U.S., someone else -- either a foreigner with a correspondent bank or a local with a direct domestic bank -- has the money transferred from the correspondent account to their account.

So to buy pounds, you need an account with a bank that has a correspondent account in England, and has reserves in the Bank of England. The pounds never leave England. That is how you buy pounds.

To buy Rubles, you need an account with a bank that has a correspondent account in Russia, and stores reserves with the Russian central bank. The largest correspondent bank is Sberbank. I am sorry that your local bank doesn't have a correspondent relationship with a Moscow bank, but there are plenty of other banks that do outside of that walled garden. This is how Japan and China buy oil and gas from Russia, for example.

So that is how you -- or rather, someone who has escaped the walls of the garden -- can own foreign fiat currencies. In terms of how you trade them, well, dollars are traded in US exchanges, CNY is traded in Chinese exchanges (there is a parallel currency for Hong Kong traded in HK exchanges) and rubles are traded in Russian exchanges. I understand you think the US exchanges are the entire world of forex exchange - perhaps you think they are the entire world of investment -- and that only a black void exists outside of that, but really there are currency exchanges all over the world. The forex rate I cited was from Moex (which is the largest), the Moscow exchange. The volume of forex transactions in Moex is about 18 Trillion rubles a month. After the Western sanctions, there was a decline in volume of about 30% as the Western customers exited the exchange, severing their correspondent relationship, so it would be about 25 Trillion forex transactions per month before the sanctions. Nations outside the West -- primarily in Asia -- account for that remaining 70% of Moex flow, 18 Trillion rubles a month is plenty of flow to support a net trade surplus of 330 Billion a year.

Re: Ghana plans to buy oil with gold instead of dollars

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> Necessity will force countries to find USD alternatives. You're misunderstanding the fundamental problem. It's not about a "shortage" of USD for Ghana, where they ran out of USD suppliers and no one is willing to sell them USD so they will need to switch to RUB. You get USD by exporting stuff and you can import stuff when you spend USD. The fundamental problem for Ghana is that they need to import valuable stuff bu…

They're running out of valuable stuff ignoring the gold. Most gold producing nations export their gold like any other metal or mineral, don't they?

I'm not intimately familiar with Ghana's economy. I was just pointing out that this is a trade balance problem not a "we can't get our hands on USD" problem. Maybe they haven't exported gold before and now, by exporting, they'll be able to fill in the gap. Or maybe the gap is so big they'll eventually run out of gold AND USD. Either way, it has nothing to do with the USD status as a reserve currency.

Re: Ghana plans to buy oil with gold instead of dollars

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> US-issued "Allowed to Handle US Dollars Electronically" License Source?

The permission to use SWIFT, which has been recently revoked for Russia. And contagious sanctions designed to make it difficult to trade with non-sanctioned companies and countries.

Nonsense. SWIFT is a Belgian corp. that provides inter-bank payments. It has nothing to do with the US or the US dollar.

There is no US-issued license required to use dollars internationally. This is stupid.

Re: Ghana plans to buy oil with gold instead of dollars

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True, but if you ask a genuine question and get downvotes, what are you supposed to infer from that? Yes it may be bad form to mention your own score, but it's equally bad form to downvote for asking a question, or read into a question something that wasn't said which may require a down vote. Why don't you take the time to answer the parents question rather than downvote them for querying why their question got downv…

Often I think it means that you asked a painful question. Don't think that downvotes are always bad, they merely just tell what is popular, just like in reddit.

But this isn't Reddit. If I wanted a popularity contest I'd be on Reddit, or Twitter or Facebook.

I want intelligent questions and answers and a basic respect for learning and knowledge.

To me it just shouldn't be acceptable to downvote a (non rhetorical) question.

Re: Ghana plans to buy oil with gold instead of dollars

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Why would countries that don't plan to commit genocide need to be bothered by SWIFT cutting off countries that commit genocide? In fact, this is a good thing for countries that don't want to be genocided as it provides an additional incentive against genocide.

> "No one knows with certainty how many people have been killed and wounded in Iraq since the 2003 United States invasion. However, we know that between 184,382 and 207,156 civilians have died from direct war related violence caused by the U.S" [0] Is it only a genocide if a non-western ally does it? 0: https://watson.brown.edu/costsofwar/costs/human/civilians/ir...

It's genocide when the goal is to wipe out a civilian population based on non-changeable characteristics.

Re: Ghana plans to buy oil with gold instead of dollars

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Illegal according to whom?

Per the linked document: “SWIFT has a history of cooperating in good faith with authorities such as central banks, treasury departments, law enforcement agencies and appropriate international organisations, such as the Financial Action Task Force ( FATF*), in their efforts to combat abuse of the financial system for illegal activities.”

In Qatar it's illegal to be gay. Will SWIFT combat abuse of the financial system for the activity of being gay?
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