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Re: Volkswagen Originalteil

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Post by wolrah » Fri, Nov 25, 2022, 8:22 PM UTC

dhosek wrote: post #70

WalterBright wrote: post #66

When I worked at Boeing, the coffee machine had a MIL SPEC taped to it that properly explained the procedure in making regulation milspec coffee. (Mil specs are analogous to a having a standard library of subroutines. Engineers don't have to re-invent how to lubricate a bearing or tighten a bolt or cad plate a part, they just specify the relevant mil spec.)

One of my first jobs included typesetting MSDSes¹ from a database. One of the things we had an MSDS for was water. ⸻ 1. Material Safety Data Sheet. These are most commonly provided for the assorted potentially hazardous chemicals in industrial use.

Hey now, that dihydrogen monoxide is dangerous stuff. Extended contact with the solid form can cause severe injury, and the gaseous form in significant quantities doesn't even need extended contact, it does its damage almost immediately.

Even the relatively safe and stable liquid form can be deadly if drank in significant quantity or inhaled in even small quantities, and a person submerged in it for even a few minutes without special equipment is in a bad spot.

Re: Volkswagen Originalteil

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Post by thechao » Fri, Nov 25, 2022, 8:27 PM UTC

WalterBright wrote: post #69

6581 wrote: post #67

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> Because ie is pronounced aye in English Grief? Tier? Thief?

English spelling always has exceptions, partly because so many words come from foreign languages. The word "thief", for example, comes from an Old German word.

Knight: pronounced similar to the Monty Python sketch. In fact a lot of "weird" English orthography is just dialectic drift after orthographic ossification.

Re: Volkswagen Originalteil

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Post by mhh__ » Fri, Nov 25, 2022, 9:02 PM UTC

WalterBright wrote: post #66

When I worked at Boeing, the coffee machine had a MIL SPEC taped to it that properly explained the procedure in making regulation milspec coffee. (Mil specs are analogous to a having a standard library of subroutines. Engineers don't have to re-invent how to lubricate a bearing or tighten a bolt or cad plate a part, they just specify the relevant mil spec.)

There's an ISO standard for tea, too

Re: Volkswagen Originalteil

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Post by codeflo » Fri, Nov 25, 2022, 9:19 PM UTC

hunter2_ wrote: post #62

joostdevries wrote: post #48

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I think Americans pronounce names like Weinstein as 'winesteen'. So perhaps the pronunciation of the latter syllable makes German origin diphthongs confusing.

We do know how to pronounce Einstein though!

I’m sure you personally do, but I’ve noticed that many English speakers pronounce it without the “sh” sound in the middle.

Re: Volkswagen Originalteil

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Post by [deleted] » Fri, Nov 25, 2022, 9:37 PM UTC

ad404b8a372f2b9 wrote: post #56

johannes1234321 wrote: post #51

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To be precise: One of three or four canteens on the main site was affected. So there still was alternative.

Assuming 90:10 meat eaters to vegetarians, and a reduction of 25% of the capacity, 15% of workers who are meat eaters will have to eat at the vegetarian canteen.

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Re: Volkswagen Originalteil

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Post by Archelaos » Fri, Nov 25, 2022, 10:18 PM UTC

tcmb wrote: post #58

haunter wrote: post #23

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Bologna sausage is Lyoner (from Lyon) [0] in german, and parizer (from Paris) [1] in hungarian 0, https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyoner 1, https://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parizer

And a 'Pariser' is a condom in German.

And "Hamburger" is a person from Hamburg, where the "u" is pronounced ⟨u⟩ like in engl. "boot". (The same pronounciation btw. as in the German surname "Trump".)

Re: Volkswagen Originalteil

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Post by usrusr » Fri, Nov 25, 2022, 10:59 PM UTC

codethief wrote: post #34

usrusr wrote: post #22

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Likely because the German ie is not at all pronounced like in pie, but some English ei like in reimbursed aren't that far off. Roughly as close as the German Ei (noun) comes to the English ie in piej off, but not that far off. So it's kind of symmetric. Makes me wonder if there are any English words where we Germans are prone to do that flip?

But "ie" in English sometimes also is pronounced like "piece"? :) Ah, the woes of English pronunciation… https://www.learnenglish.de/pronunciation/pronunciationpoem....

True, English pronunciation and trying to explain something, that rarely ends well

Re: Volkswagen Originalteil

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Post by RajT88 » Sat, Nov 26, 2022, 12:20 AM UTC

virtualritz wrote: post #13

Contains a typical spelling mistake you find suprisingly often in English text when using German words. Swapping 'ie' to 'ei'. In this case 'Weiner' (wrong, someone who is crying) instead of 'Wiener' (correct, a type of sausage). One I've seen the other day is 'Kreigsmarine' instead of 'Kriegsmarine'. Anyone knows why this happens?

Because English is a terrible, thrown-together, inconsistent language, and nobody even using English words can keep completely straight what words are spelled "ie" or "ei".

There's a rhyme they teach children who are learning to read, "I before E except after C".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_before_E_except_after_C

No matter what extra verses they add, there's still plenty of exceptions. English spelling is not consistent no matter how many rules you add to it.

Re: Volkswagen Originalteil

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Post by ajmurmann » Sat, Nov 26, 2022, 12:23 AM UTC

virtualritz wrote: post #13

Contains a typical spelling mistake you find suprisingly often in English text when using German words. Swapping 'ie' to 'ei'. In this case 'Weiner' (wrong, someone who is crying) instead of 'Wiener' (correct, a type of sausage). One I've seen the other day is 'Kreigsmarine' instead of 'Kriegsmarine'. Anyone knows why this happens?

As so many pronunciation issues for native English speakers in other languages this goes back to the great vowel shift or the great vowel movement as I like to call it. I essence because of fashion English speakers decided to swap how vowels are pronounced and it's now out of sync with how other languages pronounce the same letters. Must be one of the most costly fashion trends in human history. It's also hard to understand to me why this isn't the first thing you learn in any foreign language class in English speaking countries. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Vowel_Shift

Re: Volkswagen Originalteil

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Post by ajmurmann » Sat, Nov 26, 2022, 12:26 AM UTC

RajT88 wrote: post #78

virtualritz wrote: post #13

Contains a typical spelling mistake you find suprisingly often in English text when using German words. Swapping 'ie' to 'ei'. In this case 'Weiner' (wrong, someone who is crying) instead of 'Wiener' (correct, a type of sausage). One I've seen the other day is 'Kreigsmarine' instead of 'Kriegsmarine'. Anyone knows why this happens?

Because English is a terrible, thrown-together, inconsistent language, and nobody even using English words can keep completely straight what words are spelled "ie" or "ei". There's a rhyme they teach children who are learning to read, "I before E except after C". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_before_E_except_after_C No matter what extra verses they add, there's still plenty of exceptions. English spelling is not co…

German solved this by refactoring the spelling. My spelling grades went from Ds and Es to Bs over night. In hindsight is the most German thing to not only have centrally standardized spelling but to bring order to it. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_orthography_reform_of...