SOPA: The End of the Internet as We Know it
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SOPA: The End of the Internet as We Know it
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#2SOPA is a very bad thing. We've heard it every day for weeks here and everywhere else techies hang out.
I'm sure I'm not alone in having already signed all the petitions, already written to all my representatives, already spread the word to my personal network so other people can do the same.
At this point, what can I do but watch it happen?
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#3I'm no lawyer, by any means but this SOPA bill sounds to me like it's proposed by either very naive or very devious people. Naive in the sense that this whole SOPA thing seems to be wide open to abuse or devious in that this whole SOPA thing seems to be wide open to abuse...
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#4Okay I'm not going to attempt to support/defend SOPA but I have some serious questions:
Why do all of these SOPA articles on HN fail to mention that this bill specifically targets "foreign" sites?
They all mention a possible threat against youtube, facebook etc, but since these are "domestic" sites aren't they excluded?
Is there a particular definition or qualification in the bill that I missed that would widen the scope to include these existing sites?
(I do acknowledge that a potential youtube/facebook competitor overseas IS affected by SOPA, so again, I'm not saying SOPA is good, as it should be obvious it isn't. But lets bash it based on facts not conjecture or, worse, emotion)
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#5I wish the music and film industries would just die already. They are nothing but a drag on society.
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#6Okay I'm not going to attempt to support/defend SOPA but I have some serious questions: Why do all of these SOPA articles on HN fail to mention that this bill specifically targets "foreign" sites? They all mention a possible threat against youtube, facebook etc, but since these are "domestic" sites aren't they excluded? Is there a particular definition or qualification in the bill that I missed that would widen the s…
As I understand it, there are at least 3 different ways SOPA can affect a person/company negatively:
1. If your site gets targeted to be blocked.
2. If you run an ISP and you have to manage the infrastructure to block websites.
3. If you develop a program that could be used to route around DNS blocks, which SOPA would make illegal.
So, while targeting the bill at foreign sites lessens its impact for #1, which is still bad, it does nothing to lessen the impact of #2 and #3.
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#7Okay I'm not going to attempt to support/defend SOPA but I have some serious questions: Why do all of these SOPA articles on HN fail to mention that this bill specifically targets "foreign" sites? They all mention a possible threat against youtube, facebook etc, but since these are "domestic" sites aren't they excluded? Is there a particular definition or qualification in the bill that I missed that would widen the s…
Exactly how would you define a "foreign site", especially when the countries of origin for the domain name and servers could be different? What about sites with servers in multiple countries?
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#8A big sincere thank you to the author for giving concrete examples of why this is bad, instead of general fearmongering and ranting.
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#9Okay I'm not going to attempt to support/defend SOPA but I have some serious questions: Why do all of these SOPA articles on HN fail to mention that this bill specifically targets "foreign" sites? They all mention a possible threat against youtube, facebook etc, but since these are "domestic" sites aren't they excluded? Is there a particular definition or qualification in the bill that I missed that would widen the s…
Exactly how would you define a "foreign site", especially when the countries of origin for the domain name and servers could be different? What about sites with servers in multiple countries?
I would let SOPA define it, but since their definitions are long and stuck in a PDF, I'll paraphrase from the source: http://judiciary.house.gov/hearings/pdf/HR%203261%20Managers...
A site that either has a domain name registered outside
of the judicial district of the US, OR whose IP address
is located outside of the judicial district of the US.
Re: SOPA: The End of the Internet as We Know it
#10Okay I'm not going to attempt to support/defend SOPA but I have some serious questions: Why do all of these SOPA articles on HN fail to mention that this bill specifically targets "foreign" sites? They all mention a possible threat against youtube, facebook etc, but since these are "domestic" sites aren't they excluded? Is there a particular definition or qualification in the bill that I missed that would widen the s…
As I understand it, there are at least 3 different ways SOPA can affect a person/company negatively: 1. If your site gets targeted to be blocked. 2. If you run an ISP and you have to manage the infrastructure to block websites. 3. If you develop a program that could be used to route around DNS blocks, which SOPA would make illegal. So, while targeting the bill at foreign sites lessens its impact for #1, which is stil…
Both #2 and #3 are addressed in the bill as well. http://judiciary.house.gov/hearings/pdf/HR%203261%20Managers...
For #2 see: No Duty to Monitor, No Technology Mandates and No Impact on Security or Integrity in Section 2 Savings and Severability Clauses, and then Service Providers in Section 102. My paraphrasing: Service Provider is not required to actively monitor, design their service to "forestall or prevent acts that would actually or potentially create a cause of action".
For #3 see: Enforcement of Orders in Section 102. My paraphrasing: Attorney General may bring an action for "injunctive relief" against any product or service that is designed or marketed for the purpose of enabling a domain name affected by this act. I think MAFIAAfire and DeSOPA both apply here but a general DNS cacher/sharer may not apply since they could be said to have different purposes than just bypassing SOPA/ICE/ProtectIP.
So, yeah, some people can be affected negatively, but I think they have put in some effort to address the issues you bring up while still being able to carry out their mission of targeting foreign sites dedicated to infringing and profiting off of copyrighted works.
I am not a lawyer, this is only my best attempt of explaining the bill which I have read now a few times.