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Google to lay off 10k “poor performers”
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Re: Google to lay off 10k “poor performers”
#32It’s incredibly shitty to telegraph to other employers that all the people you’re about to layoff are damaged goods. Completely unnecessary.
Oh it is totally passive-aggressive coersion.
The notion of "poor performers" is a sign of bad management. They bloat the company to where they can no longer get their billion dollar handouts, er, payouts, and then take it out on people who actually care about their jobs and claim they are "poor" at it. While scaring the shit out of everyone else.
I know there are going to be a bunch of bros who think, "Yeah, that's not me, I'm fucking Tony Stark," but in reality, part of their brain will noodle on this gaslighting whether they want it to or not. So it really affects everyone.
It is a sign of toxic rot in a culture when they start branding people this way. But it's Amazon, it's a synonym for toxic.
Re: Google to lay off 10k “poor performers”
#33I was told at some point by someone that a layoff can’t be done based on performance, because that would mean it’s a firing instead. An amazon manager told me they were careful to avoid mentioning perf as a factor in their latest layoffs. Is that accurate and if so how does this jive with that at all?
The article says this new performance tool is to be used to fire people, as against lay them off.
Re: Google to lay off 10k “poor performers”
#34Quoted post unavailable.
> “so many people are apathetic to the atrocities commited by Google.”
Maybe so many people simply don’t view these as “atrocities”? Your wording suggests a privileged life, and ignorance of the practices of the vast majority of companies in the US, abroad, and throughout history. This is particularly true if Google is your idea of a company that treats its employees poorly, to the point that this almost must be taken as parody.
EDIT: Ah, it seems that spreading pro-Amazon, anti-Google sentiment is your main purpose here on HN. A short sample of recent posts:
> Apple and Amazon are adding real values to the economy and making positive contribution to society. Google and Meta are parasites
> I wonder if this bugs exists on FireOS. It's obvious that bugs like this will happen in a spyware company product like Google.
> I wish everyone would start using Twitch, so that we can have a proper alternative of Google/Youtube.
> Everyone should move to Twitch and make it a proper alternative to Youtube. I trust Amazon way more than an ad company like Google.
> Thank you for posting this. Moreover Google is a spyware company that holds users hostages for money. I wish Twitch can replace Youtube someday.
> I really wish Amazon would take charge of the internet infrastructure. I prefer customer obsessed infrastructure Amazon than spyware and adware companies like Google and Meta.
> This is outrageous. We need to find a way to stop Google. Google invades our privacy. Google holds us hostages for more money.
> I wish people would use Twitch more to make it a more viable Youtube alternative. Amazon doesn't have user hostile attitude like Google.
> I wouldn't trust any Google hardware - decomissioned or not. You don't know what kind of spyware they are running on their hardware.
> Exactly. IDK how people can use Google software. You never know when they will quietly inserts some spyware or adware into their so called open source software.
> Amazon is an amazing customer focus company. Google is a spyware company that only wants to make more by invading our privacy. Of course Amazon products will be better than Google.
And so on and so on. Very strange.
EDIT 2: Even more egregious, your submissions: https://news.ycombinator.com/submitted?id=johndfsgdgdfg
Re: Google to lay off 10k “poor performers”
#35What's worse than being laid off from Google? Laid off from Google while being publicly labeled a "poor performer", in this job-hunting environment.
I'd prefer more ambiguity about why people were separated, such as varying reductions by team, offers to take a sweet separation package, etc.
One silver lining about the Twitter massacre is that it appears so crazed that it's easy to imagine many of the people most valued by Twitter either getting the axe or fleeing. So less stigma hurting people as they job search.
Re: Google to lay off 10k “poor performers”
#36It’s been eye opening to see Google, FAANG, et al to gradually be transformed from the “rebel” to basically the core of corporate America - with the corresponding structures and incentives they once said to have despised.
Early on, they set out to keep the “startup” culture internally - to drive ongoing innovation. But it turns out that this requires a tremendous amount of both trust and capital to waste to do at scale. The skills to survive and progress at a large organization don’t resemble running a new, daring business.
Re: Google to lay off 10k “poor performers”
#37It’s incredibly shitty to telegraph to other employers that all the people you’re about to layoff are damaged goods. Completely unnecessary.
Not to mention illegal in some parts of the world, where Google might have some employees.
Re: Google to lay off 10k “poor performers”
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I dunno if 10k tech employees getting laid off with generous severance packages and unemployment qualifies as an atrocity.
Is your issue with them trying to quantify what a "poor performer" is? Or do you think it is immoral for a business to lay off bad workers? Or do corporations at a certain scale and profitability have a moral imperative to employ people just for job creation reasons?
I am just asking because laying off poor performers sucks and it must be a soul-searching moment for whoever it happens too, but I don't know if a business doing it is inherently evil.
Re: Google to lay off 10k “poor performers”
#39I'm sure it's already been said, but I genuinely avoid all new Google products/services like the plague. I don't see how anyone could comfortably invest time into a Google service when they have a graveyard of over 200+ cancelled services.
If I were an employee, I would be incredibly demotivated. Why build anything new at all? Why work hard at all?
Re: Google to lay off 10k “poor performers”
#40It’s incredibly shitty to telegraph to other employers that all the people you’re about to layoff are damaged goods. Completely unnecessary.
With the exception of companies going under or closing divisions or departments what kind of companies shave off “high performers”? Sure some high performers could erroneously slip trough but the intent is predominantly to lay off poor performers (sometimes high earners or older employees, but not usually)
This is Bain Capitals MO actually.
The whole point is to layoff the highest paid people and have the company coast along on previous momentum, making the profit look better so they call sell it off.