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Ask HN: Azure has run out of compute – anyone else affected?

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Re: Ask HN: Azure has run out of compute – anyone else affected?

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Post by pclmulqdq »

pwarner wrote: post #25

Azure, despite being smaller than AWS, I think has more regions. So each one must be smaller, which likely means less spare capacity. I also sort of suspect the spot market is less robust there. Lots of Azure is lift and shift on premises workloads, and those aren't using spot. Without people using spot, it's even harder to have spare capacity...

Azure uses much smaller datacenters than AWS or GCP. Microsoft wasn't a big compute user before cloud, and it's a lot easier to manage and build for smaller DCs. Amazon and Google both needed huge DCs before being clouds.

Re: Ask HN: Azure has run out of compute – anyone else affected?

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Post by gtirloni »

andrewstuart wrote: post #47
gtirloni wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is this a joke comment?

No, this is my actual experience using azure.

I can go on Azure right now and create an instance and nobody will check anything manually and email me back something. Maybe you're confusing Azure with some other small town colocation provider.

Re: Ask HN: Azure has run out of compute – anyone else affected?

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Post by janober »

whimsicalism wrote: post #55
janober wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Totally agree, we could for sure have build from the get go multi-region and multi-cloud but we had good reasons not to do it. Depending on the product, technology, ... would actually also strongly recommend almost every startup to do the same.

Seems bold to recommend everyone do the same as you when you are running in to problems you can't solve because of this exact choice you made.

I am still 100% sure it was exactly the right decision. Was however in hindsight probably the right one to choose Azure and/or that data center.

Re: Ask HN: Azure has run out of compute – anyone else affected?

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Post by dekhn »

janober wrote: post #56
websap wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it that much cheaper for you to build a new region on Azure versus getting setup on AWS? If you rely on Kubernetes for orchestration and have minimal cloud API dependency, it may be worth that evaluating this option. Also, do you have a TAM associated with your account? Are you just going through regular support channels? Can they deliver different instance types (not sure what the Azure parallel is), can they del…

We already tried to push Microsoft, sadly have they been not very helpful. Still trying to get in contact with somebody that can actually make a difference. After all, are we also not asking for a hundred machines. Can really not imagine that they can not somehow make the resources we require available.

I'll ask again what the person above asked: do you have a TAM.

If you don't you're at a big disadvantage.

Re: Ask HN: Azure has run out of compute – anyone else affected?

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Post by gtirloni »

selckin wrote: post #60
gtirloni wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is this a joke comment?

no, they have very low quotas by default, and you have to request increases through the portal, which then get rejected and you click the button to contact support/email and then you sometimes have to negotiate with them you have to do this for every single instance type they have, can't even experiment or test other instance types cause its too much trouble to get quota

The comment I replied to was not talking about changing quotas but actually creating instances.

> Yes it’s weird that you have to ask them for instances which some actual physical person looks at your request, thinks about it and says yes or no to.

Re: Ask HN: Azure has run out of compute – anyone else affected?

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Post by option »

Moissanite wrote: post #9

Azure Germany is a separate partition from the rest of Azure - presumably for compliance reasons. This is distinct from AWS, where Frankfurt is just another region, albeit one with high demand.

this: compliance plus lack of energy for new datacenter capacity. source: colleague who works at msft. they have a true crisis there and it will get worse.

Re: Ask HN: Azure has run out of compute – anyone else affected?

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Post by andrewstuart »

arecurrence wrote: post #58

This is not as rare as public clouds may lead people to believe. I have had to move workloads around since AWS began (even between public clouds on occasion). In particular, GPU availability has been a continuing problem. Unlike interchangeable x64 / arm64 instances with some adjustments based on the new core and ram count... if no GPU instances are available then I simply cannot run the job. AMD's improved support h…

GPUs are better run in your own office.

All cloud providers charge much, much more for GPUs than if you run a local machine.

Cloud GPUs are also a lot slower than state of the art consumer GPUs.

Cloud GPUs: much slower, less available, much more expensive.

Re: Ask HN: Azure has run out of compute – anyone else affected?

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Post by zwaps »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #18
jedberg wrote: post #8

> but setting up in a new region would be complicated for us. I've never done K8 on Azure, but my understanding is that Azure is pretty good about coordinating between your own datacenter running windows and Azure. Maybe you can spin up some windows boxes in a cheap datacenter to make it work?

Hetzner has a German presence I believe, and would work for running k8 on bare metal for n8n to burst to temporarily for running their orchestration and/or workflow runners. Might even be cheaper in the long run versus a cloud provider. Just gotta wire up the helm charts, containers, and whatever message bus is pushing their messages around. Can write to blob storage from anywhere if that’s a component of the app.

> Hetzner has a German presence I believe

I sure hope so, as a German company

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