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Re: Ask HN: Azure has run out of compute – anyone else affected?

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Post by PaulHoule »

bri3d wrote: post #23

Every cloud provider will have these issues with specific instance types in specific regions, although the Azure Germany situation sounds perhaps a bit more dire. At my past (much larger) employers we’ve always run into hardware capacity issues with AWS too - we’re just able to work around them. Building on cloud requires a lot of trade offs, one being a need for very robust cross-region capability and the ability to…

There is a "minimal viable product" of documenting the configuration of your system so you can (1) run development, test, staging instances, (2) jump to another region when necessary, (3) from other disasters.

Ideally you have a script that goes from credentials to the service to a complete working instance.

Re: Ask HN: Azure has run out of compute – anyone else affected?

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Post by layer8 »

andrewstuart wrote: post #27

Message to cloud providers: List what you do you have available so we can choose. Do not force users to randomly guess and be refused until eventually finding something available.

Why would they make any promises, or be upfront about their resources at the risk of becoming less attractive compared to competitors with more resources? It’s not like many people are shunning the cloud for that reason today (although maybe they should).

Re: Ask HN: Azure has run out of compute – anyone else affected?

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Post by EE84M3i »

Terretta wrote: post #19
Moissanite wrote: post #9

Azure Germany is a separate partition from the rest of Azure - presumably for compliance reasons. This is distinct from AWS, where Frankfurt is just another region, albeit one with high demand.

> AWS .. Frankfurt is just another region Unlike GCP and Azure, all AWS regions are (were) partitioned by design. This "blast radius" is (was) fantastic for resilience, security, and data sovereignty. It is (was) incredibly easy to be compliant in AWS, not to mention the ruggedness benefits. AWS customers with more money than cloud engineers kept clamoring for cross-region capabilities ("Like GCP has!"), and in last…

AWS has several different levels of region isolation.

There are aws region partitions - general, china, us gov cloud (public), us gov secret and us gov top-secret.

Inside a partition, there can be some regions that are opt-in - see https://docs.aws.amazon.com/general/latest/gr/rande-manage.h...

My understanding is that opt-in regions are even more isolated inside a specific partition for partition-global services like IAM and maybe some other stuff.

Re: Ask HN: Azure has run out of compute – anyone else affected?

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Post by websap »

pclmulqdq wrote: post #43
websap wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is an insidious argument to make. When building a startup you should choose 1 reliable cloud provider and use their best practices to support high availability.

No matter the provider, their best practices all say to be multi-region.

Def not true with AWS, unless you reach a particular scale. Not for product market fit. My technology choices would be fully managed services so I could focus on my actual business.

Re: Ask HN: Azure has run out of compute – anyone else affected?

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Post by whimsicalism »

janober wrote: post #28
ttrrooppeerr wrote: post #16

> We never thought our startup would be threatened by the unreliability of a company like Microsoft You will be threatened by your own unreliability of building something that's dependant on one region or one cloud.

Totally agree, we could for sure have build from the get go multi-region and multi-cloud but we had good reasons not to do it. Depending on the product, technology, ... would actually also strongly recommend almost every startup to do the same.

Seems bold to recommend everyone do the same as you when you are running in to problems you can't solve because of this exact choice you made.

Re: Ask HN: Azure has run out of compute – anyone else affected?

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Post by janober »

websap wrote: post #30
xwowsersx wrote: post #10

Oof, that sucks and I feel for you. That said... > setting up in a new region would be complicated for us. Sounds to me like you've got a few weeks to get this working. Deprioritize all other work, get everyone working on this little DevOps/Infra project. You should've been multi-region from the outset, if not multi-cloud. When using the public cloud, we do tend to take it all for granted and don't even think about t…

Is it that much cheaper for you to build a new region on Azure versus getting setup on AWS? If you rely on Kubernetes for orchestration and have minimal cloud API dependency, it may be worth that evaluating this option. Also, do you have a TAM associated with your account? Are you just going through regular support channels? Can they deliver different instance types (not sure what the Azure parallel is), can they del…

We already tried to push Microsoft, sadly have they been not very helpful. Still trying to get in contact with somebody that can actually make a difference. After all, are we also not asking for a hundred machines. Can really not imagine that they can not somehow make the resources we require available.

Re: Ask HN: Azure has run out of compute – anyone else affected?

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Post by arecurrence »

This is not as rare as public clouds may lead people to believe. I have had to move workloads around since AWS began (even between public clouds on occasion).

In particular, GPU availability has been a continuing problem. Unlike interchangeable x64 / arm64 instances with some adjustments based on the new core and ram count... if no GPU instances are available then I simply cannot run the job. AMD's improved support has increasingly provided an alternative in some situations but the problem persists.

I recommend doing the work to make the business somewhat cloud agnostic, or at the very least multi-region capable. I realize this is not an option for some services that have no equivalent on other clouds but you mentioned databases and k8s clusters which are both supported elsewhere.

Re: Ask HN: Azure has run out of compute – anyone else affected?

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Post by selckin »

gtirloni wrote: post #41
andrewstuart wrote: post #4

Yes it’s weird that you have to ask them for instances which some actual physical person looks at your request, thinks about it and says yes or no to. Instead of providing you with a list of the resources they do have, you have to play this weird game where you ask for specific instances in specific regions and then within several hours someone emails back to say yes or no. If it’s no, you have to guess again where y…

Is this a joke comment?

no, they have very low quotas by default, and you have to request increases through the portal, which then get rejected and you click the button to contact support/email and then you sometimes have to negotiate with them

you have to do this for every single instance type they have, can't even experiment or test other instance types cause its too much trouble to get quota

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