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German state of Hesse has banned the use of Microsoft 365 in its schools

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Re: German state of Hesse has banned the use of Microsoft 365 in its schools

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Post by kuxv »

bushbaba wrote: post #6
Melting_Harps wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Meanwhile, Polish gov't uses Microsoft Teams [1] as one of ways of verifying citizens who are applying for trusted profile service. Preface: Teams is horrible and it's super bloated for a simple chat app, but it's a mainstay for remote work along Slack and Zoom unfortunately. It's still better than the architecture using ID.me they built for unemployment benefits during COVID which in FL was subsequently hacked and…

Why the teams hate. I personally find it the best conferencing tool for recurring cadence

It is super slow. Just a basic thing like switching between different chats or teams takes ages.

Re: German state of Hesse has banned the use of Microsoft 365 in its schools

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Post by crubier »

mordae wrote: post #17
darkwater wrote: post #11

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In Spain they use Zoom for the same thing. It's really astonishing how governments, especially the European ones, don't cluster on open-source and self-hosted resources for all of these things. To be honest, I know the "easy answer" to this: "IT consulting firms, incompetence, bureaucracy and corruption", but even with that, it should be possible to do it with open system and not just rely on some other countries eve…

Neoliberalism is super entrenched here. It is almost impossible to create a state/county/municipal IT department that would actually have enough sysadmins. All such departments rely almost entirely on external suppliers. One way this happens are salary controls. It is impossible to hire someone and give him the market rate, but it is trivial to tender the work associated with such position to a random external compan…

> Only software that someone actively sells can ever make it through.

Only software that someone actively supports*

Re: German state of Hesse has banned the use of Microsoft 365 in its schools

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Post by Melting_Harps »

bushbaba wrote: post #6
Melting_Harps wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Meanwhile, Polish gov't uses Microsoft Teams [1] as one of ways of verifying citizens who are applying for trusted profile service. Preface: Teams is horrible and it's super bloated for a simple chat app, but it's a mainstay for remote work along Slack and Zoom unfortunately. It's still better than the architecture using ID.me they built for unemployment benefits during COVID which in FL was subsequently hacked and…

Why the teams hate. I personally find it the best conferencing tool for recurring cadence

> Why the teams hate. I personally find it the best conferencing tool for recurring cadence

Ha!

Even though I know this was addressed to me, you clearly opened the floodgate on the very vocal customer complaints section on HN that has clearly struck a nerve with many more than you anticipated chiming in.

With that said, yes it's full bloat and sounds like utter crap even with audio only on every time I've ever used it; I typically use Signal and only revert to conventional apps for work purposes and it always struggles worse than the other.

Re: German state of Hesse has banned the use of Microsoft 365 in its schools

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Post by kspacewalk2 »

lzooz wrote: post #20
martin_a wrote: post #16

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Takes 520 MB right now for sitting idling in the background. That's how well it runs on Windows...

That's 6.5 % of available memory of a computer with 8 GB of RAM.

That's not a lot. No one bats an eye when Firefox uses triple that amount sitting idle with 5 tabs open, because Firefox is Not Evil.

Re: German state of Hesse has banned the use of Microsoft 365 in its schools

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Post by tester756 »

pndy wrote: post #2

Meanwhile, Polish gov't uses Microsoft Teams [1] as one of ways of verifying citizens who are applying for trusted profile service. [1] - https://moj.gov.pl/uslugi/engine/ng/index?xFormsAppName=Wnio... (in Polish)

>Meanwhile, Polish gov't uses Microsoft Teams [1] as one of ways of verifying citizens who are applying for trusted profile service.

What's wrong with that?

Microsoft is trusted vendor

Re: German state of Hesse has banned the use of Microsoft 365 in its schools

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Post by lpcvoid »

lzooz wrote: post #20
martin_a wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Takes 520 MB right now for sitting idling in the background. That's how well it runs on Windows...

That's 6.5 % of available memory of a computer with 8 GB of RAM.

You make it sound like it's fine for an application that has network i/o in the few KB and miniscule UI refreshes when idle to consume that amount?

Re: German state of Hesse has banned the use of Microsoft 365 in its schools

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Post by rvz »

> The central German state of Hesse’s local Data Protection Authority (DPA) has banned the use of Microsoft 365 in its schools, citing concerns over privacy violations.

The state of Hesse. Not the 'whole' of Germany. The clickbait title has worked its way to HN unsurprisingly.

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