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Parasite gives wolves what it takes to be pack leaders

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Re: Parasite gives wolves what it takes to be pack leaders

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And I always thought that wolves live in families, not packs, and what it takes to be a "pack leader" is being the father of other wolves.

I mentioned the article title to my high school animal enthusiast and that is the first thing they said; haven't researched it yet but it seems like these scientists would be "in the know."

Re: Parasite gives wolves what it takes to be pack leaders

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Imagine how dystopian that would sound in humans, like some science fiction horror. "All the leaders are secretly infected by parasites". Sounds like interesting sci fi movie premise.

Then whatever you do, don't google "toxoplasma gondii"

Re: Parasite gives wolves what it takes to be pack leaders

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was once part of a department that was so well-managed and functional that I couldn't quite believe it. Then when time came choose a new department head, someone told me that they had always specifically avoided people who wanted to lead the department for the job.

A perfect model for democracy I would say.

The flaw is that it forces someone into a role they do not want to fulfil, that could see the occupant become resentful of those around them and act out of spite.

The short answer is there is no perfect model, people will always be people.

Re: Parasite gives wolves what it takes to be pack leaders

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was once part of a department that was so well-managed and functional that I couldn't quite believe it. Then when time came choose a new department head, someone told me that they had always specifically avoided people who wanted to lead the department for the job.

A perfect model for democracy I would say.

An idea that goes back to Plato's republic.

Re: Parasite gives wolves what it takes to be pack leaders

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is the idea that anyone that wants to be a leader probably shouldn't be a leader. These are the types of people who crave being in positions of authority over others. They'll step on anyone they need to in order to get the the top. They might be the leader, but they usually aren't necessarily the types of people that are looking out for the best interests of the people they lead.

I was once part of a department that was so well-managed and functional that I couldn't quite believe it. Then when time came choose a new department head, someone told me that they had always specifically avoided people who wanted to lead the department for the job.

“Anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job.” - Douglas Adams

Re: Parasite gives wolves what it takes to be pack leaders

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Imagine how dystopian that would sound in humans, like some science fiction horror. "All the leaders are secretly infected by parasites". Sounds like interesting sci fi movie premise.

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It probably was sensitive forever - that's why it needs to change by speaking about it ;)

Re: Parasite gives wolves what it takes to be pack leaders

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Imagine how dystopian that would sound in humans, like some science fiction horror. "All the leaders are secretly infected by parasites". Sounds like interesting sci fi movie premise.

There is an anime with a similar theme. Parasyte: The Maxim.

Re: Parasite gives wolves what it takes to be pack leaders

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I don't see anything in that article that makes the conclusion inevitable. It's a remarkable correlation for sure, but unfortunately it doesn't go beyond that. There's no pathway from infection to leadership (just a vague hypothesis that doesn't resemble the mechanism in rats and hyenas), and it doesn't look as if they looked at uninfected pack leaders. Perhaps pack leaders or strays eat more dead cat, or some other…

They looked at animals that were and were not infected, throughout their lives, and saw what they did, so they knew whether the animals were infected or not before they became pack leaders. From the article: >The team looked at 256 blood samples from 229 wolves, which had been carefully watched throughout their lives, and had their life histories and social status recorded. Meyer and Cassidy found that infected wolve…

Havent read the paper, but your quote doesn't change the core point that it could be correlation.

E.g. perhaps aggression makes them more likely to eat infected animals and also more likely to challenge for leadership.

Re: Parasite gives wolves what it takes to be pack leaders

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Syphillis makes you artistically brilliant, gondi makes you fearless, never felt so good, then just before exitus. So, in conclusion, if the vector has requirements, the infection will try to make the host capable of fullfilment. If the infection needs sugar, the mitochondria, will make the amobea crawl to algea.

Thank you for the final line, I never realised that
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