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Ghana plans to buy oil with gold instead of dollars

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Re: Ghana plans to buy oil with gold instead of dollars

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Russia's sanctions were as a result of their invasion of Ukraine and they'd still be a part of the normal financial system otherwise. It's nothing to do with petrodollars.

Apologies, but your reading of the situation is shallow. What do you think led Vlad to invade? The US has been mounting a proxy war against Russia in Ukraine for the past 20 years, one they're ready - barring political upheaval in the US - to fight down to the last European.

Overconfidence and a need for an external enemy? Satanism? https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/ukrainealert/nato-nazi...

> proxy war against Russia in Ukraine

To a certain extent this is true, but the Ukranians have been very keen on it as they've benefited from not being a puppet state run by a corrupt president who built himself a huge palace. And Russia has no right to be "in" Ukraine in the first place.

Re: Ghana plans to buy oil with gold instead of dollars

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Wondering what will replace it, maybe the Brics coin a basket of currencies and commodities. A bit like Keynes Bancor concept if i'm not mistaken time will tell what sort of currencies the Russians and Chinese will introduce for BRICS, SCO and BRI nations.

The Chinese Renminbi (Yuan) is a good candidate to quickly get on par with the USD. If they manage it properly that is, as in: not print mountains of it, and not using it to enforce their political aims. They're currently actively busy making the Renminbi reserve and default trading currency in much of Asia. And, as a last resort, there's always Bitcoin and gold, although, as Ghana will discover (unless they make the…

> not using it to enforce their political aims.

Ah yes, the CCP, famously known for not enforcing political aims.

Re: Ghana plans to buy oil with gold instead of dollars

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I know a lot of people dislike bitcoin here but I'm wondering (with the huge assumption that its value stabilises over time) would it not actually be a better solution? Not just from an obvious logistical but also from an environmental perspective? I'd imagine gold mining to be much more destructive (both to nature and to human life).

I wonder if they can use it? As a noob I see that crypto value is very volatile and don't have intrinsic value, unlike gold that somehow is accepted universally as valuable.

Re: Ghana plans to buy oil with gold instead of dollars

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Im curious about the mechanics of how this helps, could they not sell the gold for dollars to buy the oil?

This. People seem very exercised about using the dollar specifically to buy oil, but .. currencies are fungible? You can trade them on international markets? Also, where does the gold come from? Is it just their central bank reserve? No, it seems that Ghana is experiencing the classic forex problem of not being able to export enough valuable production in order to afford its imports, and it's very hard to reduce impo…

Yeah, it's pretty disappointing that most comments focus on the ideological aspect and celebrate the move while the picture is pretty bleak for Ghana.

Unfortunately, this story is not unique to Ghana and if the situation does not improve, I fear for how next year will look.

Re: Ghana plans to buy oil with gold instead of dollars

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Interesting the pressure is increasing. More and more countries questioning why they need to base their foreign transaction on the US Dollar. Could this mounting unrest be as a result of the seeming inability of the US Federal bank in checking inflation of the US Dollar. Also, some of these Nations can no longer determine what benefit it is to them is using the US Dollar as their reserve currency and trading currency…

Its definitely not a lack of confidence in USD or the feds. Relative to pretty much every noteworthy alternative, the feds have handled things a lot better.

- EU royally f'd with their stimulus & rates. Mind you, they were in a very precarious position to start with. - China has proven themselves to be a house of cards with zero covid, massive public/corporate debt bubbles and Ji becoming god emperor. - Russia is a glorified gas station with an economy the size of florida.

The reason for Ghana's action, Saudi looking to end petro dollar, China+Russia looking to form a block etc: US deep state ducking up big time.

The weaponised the dollar.. They've been ramping this up big time during the past few decades but the Ukraine War was a UUUUGE reveal the cards moment.

During the last 2 years, Russia was filling up their coffers with high oil prices. The US turned these foreign reserves into worthless numbers on a screen overnight with the press of a few buttons.

Now pretty much every country is looking at each other like "oh shit".

Re: Ghana plans to buy oil with gold instead of dollars

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Interesting the pressure is increasing. More and more countries questioning why they need to base their foreign transaction on the US Dollar. Could this mounting unrest be as a result of the seeming inability of the US Federal bank in checking inflation of the US Dollar. Also, some of these Nations can no longer determine what benefit it is to them is using the US Dollar as their reserve currency and trading currency…

I think this take is somewhat over-reacting. I'm pretty sure you'll find that the price they agreed is really in USD, and only the medium of exchange is gold (even if the paperwork or agreement doesn't even reference USD). So really they are paying X USD's worth of gold - with both oil and gold price being fixed in USD somewhere abroad. USD is so incredibly ubiquitous, it won't easily go away.

Reserves are a little different, but even then, whenever something bad happens, the dollar strengthens as investors flock to it. When the 2008 crisis happened (and it was US-centric!) US and the dollar were still the safe haven everyone escaped to. Not the Rouble, not the Yuan, not so much EUR or CHF or, from memory, gold.

So we'll see people avoid the USD as a medium of exchange, maybe, even if the prices are fixed on USD-denominated prices. But also remember, gold is not a great medium of exchange. Will Ghana ship physical gold around the world (risky and expensive)? Or will they sign a piece of paper saying "gold held by in a safe by someone else and owned by me is now owned by someone else" - in which case there is similar counterparty risk, except perhaps not against the US government. But if you think the US is an evil octopus with long tentacles, surely they could get their hands on this gold. Where will this haven safe from US interference be?

If anything, I can more easily believe an alternative economy based on crypto. It's actually happening and working well, for all sorts of shady or illicit activity.

Re: Ghana plans to buy oil with gold instead of dollars

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Im curious about the mechanics of how this helps, could they not sell the gold for dollars to buy the oil?

I think the reason they want to avoid the US dollar is so that they do not need to obey US sanctions. From what I understand, if you send US dollars around the world, they need to go through a US bank. All US banks must obey US government sanctions.

They don't want to avoid the dollar, far from it, they want to keep the few dollars they still have and pay with something else instead.

Now, if I were the Chinese with an overabundance of dollars (or worse, US Treasury bonds), I'd be trying to convert them into something else ASAP. They tried to buy companies, agricultural land and other things with intrinsic value, but were blocked by CFIUS and the EU is setting up its equivalent.

Re: Ghana plans to buy oil with gold instead of dollars

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Interesting the pressure is increasing. More and more countries questioning why they need to base their foreign transaction on the US Dollar. Could this mounting unrest be as a result of the seeming inability of the US Federal bank in checking inflation of the US Dollar. Also, some of these Nations can no longer determine what benefit it is to them is using the US Dollar as their reserve currency and trading currency…

As for what happens next: de-globalisation

I predict we'll see blocks forming up again, something like: - West (US+EU) - East (China+Russia) - India (India, Sri Lanka, Himalayan States, South China states) - Middle (Middle East+North Africa) - Latam (Central + South American States)

One wild card IMO would be the rise of the Indian sphere of influence. I'll leave some room for India's remarkable ability to snatch defeat form the jaws of victory. If they don't f this up, they have UUUGE tailwinds going for them.

Middle east is overrated IMO, its like an oasis with oil instead of water. When the oil money runs out, not gonna be fun any more.

Latam is probs the biggest wildcard, even bigger than India. They don't need a lot of things to be right to wildly outperform as a block. Just like the US, they are protected by two oceans so they can choose to not involve themselves in stuff.

Africa is highly overrated IMO, the entire continent is cursed in multiple ways. If u compare africa to another post colonial continent like Latam, africa is in a place where they need to get so many things right to just survive, let alone to catch up.

Re: Ghana plans to buy oil with gold instead of dollars

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Interesting the pressure is increasing. More and more countries questioning why they need to base their foreign transaction on the US Dollar. Could this mounting unrest be as a result of the seeming inability of the US Federal bank in checking inflation of the US Dollar. Also, some of these Nations can no longer determine what benefit it is to them is using the US Dollar as their reserve currency and trading currency…

Could this lead to a chain reactions, were countries abandon the dollar and the dollar looses in value, in return leading to more countries abandon it? A world were the most stabilizing region and its currency become temporary hegemon?

Ghana GDP is 77.59 billion USD. That's almost 2 Twitters :) .

Ghana is not triggering any chain reactions.

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