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Re: Issue dialing 911 on Google Pixel 6 cell phones

#11
Let's just spell it out instead of this clickbait title:

Dialing the local emergency number (112, 000, and 911 were reported, but presumably also others) sometimes doesn't work, just gives a click instead of dialing. Google blames third party apps. Users report similar issues since Pixel 4 that were reported to Google but haven't been resolved since release.

Not like "911 doesn't ring" is much longer of a title than "very scary issue with dialing 911". It just sounds ever so slightly less like a horror movie.

Re: Issue dialing 911 on Google Pixel 6 cell phones

#12
When I used to work for a large mobile network, we would spend ages testing the firmware of new devices. Even giants (at the time) like Nokia would release phones which couldn't dial the emergency services, or put out more than the legal limit of radiation, or were in other ways defective.

We'd test, send a report back, wait a few weeks, get a new firmware, test again, repeat until everything worked. It took months. That was fine when phones weren't expected to be updated by users.

But when more modern phones arrived with flashable firmware, customers couldn't stand the delays associated with testing. They'd see a new firmware had been released and complained that the mobile network operators were delaying progress, dragging our feet, deliberately depriving customers of something cool.

The fact was, operators very often didn't certify the firmware because it contained *dangerous* bugs. I'm sure there was also a cost element - why pay to re-test a phone that you're no longer selling? - but that wasn't the primary driver.

Well, the manufacturers and customers "won". If you buy a phone through your network, it probably has a network-certified firmware blob. If not, you're at the mercy of the manufacturer.

Re: Issue dialing 911 on Google Pixel 6 cell phones

#13
Is there any theory or explanation why this happens? "Third party apps" is totally vague, what third party app could stop you from dialing an emergency number? And even if such apps exist (or even are common) is it not a huge design flaw by itself, which the manufacturer has to remedy?

Re: Issue dialing 911 on Google Pixel 6 cell phones

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post #12

When I used to work for a large mobile network, we would spend ages testing the firmware of new devices. Even giants (at the time) like Nokia would release phones which couldn't dial the emergency services, or put out more than the legal limit of radiation, or were in other ways defective. We'd test, send a report back, wait a few weeks, get a new firmware, test again, repeat until everything worked. It took months.…

How would you have tested 911 dialling? Did you go all the way to a real operator?

Re: Issue dialing 911 on Google Pixel 6 cell phones

#15
post #9

Is it a Google issue or a Qualcomm issue ? (e.g. does it occur when using Calyxos/GrapheneOS/LineageOS instead of the raw Google Android OS ?)

I have a Pixel 6 running GrapheneOS, and the one time I called 112 in the Netherlands it worked. Hard to extrapolate from that one data point though.

It's a bit of a bother that this is not something you can test at any reasonable scale. “Just testing if my call gets through” is not something you want to see inundating emergency call centres.

Re: Issue dialing 911 on Google Pixel 6 cell phones

#16
> “So this is what happens on my brand new $1,000 Google phone when I try to call 911.”

How old is this story? The news report is from 2 days ago, but surely in 2022 the person filming the TikTok video wouldn't call a Pixel 6 a "brand new $1,000 Google phone"?

Re: Issue dialing 911 on Google Pixel 6 cell phones

#17

Is there any theory or explanation why this happens? "Third party apps" is totally vague, what third party app could stop you from dialing an emergency number? And even if such apps exist (or even are common) is it not a huge design flaw by itself, which the manufacturer has to remedy?

Not sure why they don't say it by name but the bug was originally found with MS Teams.

"The issue is the result of an “unintended interaction” between Teams and Android, specifically when the users have the app installed but are not logged in to any account." [0]

[0] https://www.androidauthority.com/google-pixel-microsoft-team...

Re: Issue dialing 911 on Google Pixel 6 cell phones

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post #12

When I used to work for a large mobile network, we would spend ages testing the firmware of new devices. Even giants (at the time) like Nokia would release phones which couldn't dial the emergency services, or put out more than the legal limit of radiation, or were in other ways defective. We'd test, send a report back, wait a few weeks, get a new firmware, test again, repeat until everything worked. It took months.…

How would you have tested 911 dialling? Did you go all the way to a real operator?

Yes. From memory we had a specific SIM which was registered with 999. We dialled up, gave a password of the day, and asked them what info they could see about the call. They could see IMSI, IMEI, Cell Location and other things like that.

(A couple of decade ago now - my memory might be inaccurate.)

Re: Issue dialing 911 on Google Pixel 6 cell phones

#19
post #16

> “So this is what happens on my brand new $1,000 Google phone when I try to call 911.” How old is this story? The news report is from 2 days ago, but surely in 2022 the person filming the TikTok video wouldn't call a Pixel 6 a "brand new $1,000 Google phone"?

Old enough to influence people a few days before Black Friday I guess.

Re: Issue dialing 911 on Google Pixel 6 cell phones

#20
post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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How so?

Club of Rome often lamented human overpopulation, so the user you’ve been replying to will undoubtedly share some far-fetched conspiracy theory that won’t make a lick of sense.
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