Anyone have the text of the clause? I clicked the get started link but it wanted to log in on my Github. I did not see it in the FAQ.
Generative AI profits off your code. Make them pay for it
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#22Regardless of any legal issues surrounding this, an important consideration is that modifying any well known license will effectively mean your work will never get used by any large organization. No one wants to spend n hours of legal services vetting a custom license. They want to say "GPLv2, MIT, BSD is cool, everything else is banned".
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#23Earlier quoted context omitted.
That wouldn't license code. That's just license text that happens to be in a string. Not sure why this bugfix site is being used instead of just pastebin with text.
I'm presenting the license text in a creative and unusual way that real hackers might enjoy. If that confused you, or you consider it "obnoxious", then you are not the target audience. That's ok. Hacker News is not 100% hackers!
It's more obnoxious than creative and unusual
Re: Generative AI profits off your code. Make them pay for it
#24TL;DR our lawyers wrote a clause to protect open source code from being used by generative AI companies for profit. You can find it here: paytotrain.ai A legal grey area exists as to whether publicly available creations (code or art) can be used to train datasets for generative AI projects without infringing their creators' underlying copyrights. Other types of claims, such as violation of license agreements and DMCA…
Thank you. Could you paste the Humans Only Clause here so we can read it? Here was my attempt to write a clause prohibiting language model training/inference: https://bugfix-66.com/7a82559a13b39c7fa404320c14f47ce0c304fa... 3. Use in source or binary form for the construction or operation of predictive software generation systems is prohibited. How does the Humans Only Clause fix the flaws in my attempt? The Humans On…
"Use of the Software by any person to train, teach, prompt, populate, or otherwise further or facilitate any so-called generative artificial intelligence, generative algorithm, generative adversarial network, generative model, or similar or related activity (or to attempt to perform any of the foregoing acts or activity), whether in connection with any so-called machine learning, deep learning, neural network, or similar or related framework, system, or model or otherwise, is strictly prohibited and beyond the limited scope of this license, absent prior payment to licensor of the licensing fee of the amount of ____"
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#25Earlier quoted context omitted.
It shouldn't even hinge on a TOS. If Microsoft loses this case, it actually means Microsoft wins and we all lose. Who has a large enough corpora of training data? Only institutional copyright holders. This is probably going to play out like Oracle vs. Google when Google suddenly realized that they should lose and intentionally threw the case. I'm so worried about this case. Treating copyrighted training data as fair…
I would happily contribute all of my public source code under whatever license to a dataset that required models to also be open sourced. I am not OK with Microsoft creating a derivative work (Copilot's model) off of GPL code and not releasing the weights under the GPL.
The amount of data (not just code) that we would need to get sign off on is prohibitively large. If you account for all the stakeholders, then this won't be easy at all.
Meanwhile, the institutions will leap ahead of us. Models and annotated data sets will forever be out of reach. Open source equivalents will be severely behind the status quo.
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#26Earlier quoted context omitted.
Thank you. Could you paste the Humans Only Clause here so we can read it? Here was my attempt to write a clause prohibiting language model training/inference: https://bugfix-66.com/7a82559a13b39c7fa404320c14f47ce0c304fa... 3. Use in source or binary form for the construction or operation of predictive software generation systems is prohibited. How does the Humans Only Clause fix the flaws in my attempt? The Humans On…
"Use of the Software by any person to train, teach, prompt, populate, or otherwise further or facilitate any so-called generative artificial intelligence, generative algorithm, generative adversarial network, generative model, or similar or related activity (or to attempt to perform any of the foregoing acts or activity), whether in connection with any so-called machine learning, deep learning, neural network, or sim…
This seems to prohibit benign activities like importing the code into an IDE that contains auto-complete.
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#27Earlier quoted context omitted.
Thank you. Could you paste the Humans Only Clause here so we can read it? Here was my attempt to write a clause prohibiting language model training/inference: https://bugfix-66.com/7a82559a13b39c7fa404320c14f47ce0c304fa... 3. Use in source or binary form for the construction or operation of predictive software generation systems is prohibited. How does the Humans Only Clause fix the flaws in my attempt? The Humans On…
"Use of the Software by any person to train, teach, prompt, populate, or otherwise further or facilitate any so-called generative artificial intelligence, generative algorithm, generative adversarial network, generative model, or similar or related activity (or to attempt to perform any of the foregoing acts or activity), whether in connection with any so-called machine learning, deep learning, neural network, or sim…
Thank you. I see the Humans Only Clause is much more explicit about what is prohibited than the No-AI 3-Clause License, and furthermore directly states a licensing fee.
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#28> Who is PayToTrain created by and why?
> PayToTrain is created by a small group of developers and attorneys who are passionate about open source software and ensuring that developers are properly compensated for their work. The website and service are provided completely free of charge.
That doesn't answer the obvious implied questions of how much anyone should trust this effort -- such as not to be selling them out to the infingers, either individually, or as as a "self-regulation" model that the infringers can point to in upcoming legal battles. And I'd be surprised if the attorneys didn't realize that.
Re: Generative AI profits off your code. Make them pay for it
#29If you put your code on Github, it's bound by the TOS, which states ( https://docs.github.com/en/site-policy/github-terms/github-t... ): > We need the legal right to do things like host Your Content, publish it, and share it. You grant us and our legal successors the right to store, archive, parse, and display Your Content, and make incidental copies, as necessary to provide the Service, including improving the Servi…
It shouldn't even hinge on a TOS. If Microsoft loses this case, it actually means Microsoft wins and we all lose. Who has a large enough corpora of training data? Only institutional copyright holders. This is probably going to play out like Oracle vs. Google when Google suddenly realized that they should lose and intentionally threw the case. I'm so worried about this case. Treating copyrighted training data as fair…
> This is probably going to play out like Oracle vs. Google when Google suddenly realized that they should lose and intentionally threw the case.
What are you talking about here?
Re: Generative AI profits off your code. Make them pay for it
#30Earlier quoted context omitted.
"Use of the Software by any person to train, teach, prompt, populate, or otherwise further or facilitate any so-called generative artificial intelligence, generative algorithm, generative adversarial network, generative model, or similar or related activity (or to attempt to perform any of the foregoing acts or activity), whether in connection with any so-called machine learning, deep learning, neural network, or sim…
This seems to prohibit benign activities like importing the code into an IDE that contains auto-complete.
A necessary evil. You point out a cost. The benefits outweigh that cost.