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Why it’s hard to buy deodorant in Manhattan

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What is more effective and humane? Is it about removing the poverty that drives that kind of theft, or were you thinking of something more direct?

This is about organized retail bulk theft. Punishing the individual shoplifters is useful. But it's also useful to crack down on secondary markets through which (mostly) stolen goods are shifted.

How? Should we ban Amazon and Ebay?

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Piggybacking on this thread, is stealing a common thing across the whole of the US or is it restricted to some areas? I keep getting asked how people in n San Francisco are living with crime so rampant and they send a video of gangs stealing from a store/mall.

Right, so this is a hugely political issue right now. Don't be surprised to get wildly differing answers. Republicans are pointing at public disorder and screaming about crime, and Democrats are accusing them of being fragile suburbanites who can't handle normal urban life. I'm a left-leaning independent, and I tend to agree with Democrats on a lot of their talking points, but I will say that everywhere I go I see mo…

How's the housing work? Victoria and Vancouver tried this by buying old hotels and turning them into apartments but they filled them with junkies and were surprised that they soon became worse than the outdoor camps.

Any solution that doesn't segregate the sick can't work.

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Nope. In most states (CA for example) it is a felony to sell stolen goods when the amount exceeds a pretty modest threshold. If, as alleged in the parent comment, they are committing a crime on a large scale then the blame is very well placed. *of course this does not exonerate the original thieves, but as a matter of practicality it is going to be easier to hit a single large offender than a myriad of small ones.

mens rea

You don't have to intend to commit a crime to have mens rea. You merely have to intentionally do all the steps involved in the crime. Ignorance of the law is not an excuse, and neither is intentional ignorance of whether you are breaking it or not.

Pawn shops got the receiving end of this deal a while ago. Now it's Amazon's turn.

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I've lived in the same city now (not NYC) for 10+ years, so I'm moderately connected with all sorts of people and not just a bubble of affluent tech people. So I'll be real, I know some sketchy people that probably do drugs or at least know where to find some. What I don't know, however, is any "fences". That is, someone that traffics in stolen goods. Or maybe I do, they don't exactly advertise their services. I've n…

Amazon should not try to do anything about this, because there is nothing Amazon can do about this. Amazon should not be required to do anything about this, that’s why we pay cops.

It’s called receipt of stolen property, and it’s a crime. Doesn’t matter if you’re Amazon.

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This is such a big nationwide problem that Target actually mentioned it during their earnings report (this is stated in the article.) Some states/cities have made it near impossible to prosecute these people, so the risk/reward is very favorable to stealing and reselling. Some stores have even closed down in certain areas because of it. When we talk about "food deserts" in some cities, it could one day be we have mas…

I have no idea how a prosecutor can take down these organized rings. The entire method prosecutors use for say exotic drugs, guns, etc: "Ok we have you for 5 years here, who do you work for, make these phone calls, we can get your sentence down to parole". This allows prosecutors to work their way up. But if a prosecutor is sitting in front of a low level shop lifter - who gets out that day - i don't see any prosecut…

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Plausible deniability and more lawyers than God helps.

God probably doesn't have a lot of lawyers, but Amazon has more lawyers than Satan, too.

Doesn’t Satan really mean like cross examiner or something

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Organized retail theft is common in big cities. Most Americans do not live in big cities. This is not an issue for most Americans, and the stores they shop at do not have restrictive shelving nor go out of business do to "shrinking."

Meanwhile in Tokyo you have self serve 24/7 convenience stores. And I’m not talking about vending machines. This is where you grab the item, enter on a screen what you got, pay for it, and walk out. No staff needed.

These are still pretty rare, and there's always a member of staff present, usually at the counter right next to the self-checkout till.

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Amazon should not try to do anything about this, because there is nothing Amazon can do about this. Amazon should not be required to do anything about this, that’s why we pay cops.

It’s called receipt of stolen property, and it’s a crime. Doesn’t matter if you’re Amazon.

Without mens rea this is not a crime in (almost?) any jurisdiction, doesn’t matter if you’re Amazon.

No matter what kind of weird games you choose to play, there’s no way amazon has a guilty mind here.

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Or just a database of serial numbers .

A database of serial numbers alone wouldn't be sufficient. Counterfeiters frequently copy real serial numbers and print them on fake products. There are more effective means such as tamper resistant RFID tags, but those aren't cost effective for cheap items. And often no one bothers to check anyway.

None of this refutes the fact that a blockchain would have all the same problems plus a whole load more.

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True, but it's more complicated to acquire and not available right off the shelf.

"A Simple and Convenient Synthesis of Pseudoephedrine From N-Methylamphetamine" https://improbable.com/airchives/paperair/volume19/v19i3/Pse...

One of my favorite papers. :)
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