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Why it’s hard to buy deodorant in Manhattan

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Re: Why it’s hard to buy deodorant in Manhattan

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Chains in Manhattan put stickers on the merchandise that tell you where it came from. While you could remove them, it’s a PITA and cuts into your margins. If you don’t remove it, there is a clear signal to Amazon that these are stolen goods.

Is it illegal to sell deodorant you got from the store after they put a tag on it?

Of course not. But it is really hard to turn a profit reselling a product you purchased at retail.

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What's amazing is how no one is honing in on the real reason this is happening, the DA's office combined with state laws make it hard to bail people and send people to prison. That's the decision made, and it's referred to as the carceral system. It's something viewed as urgently needing reform, and that's how the progressive DA's operate. Look at Alvin Bragg, the Manhattan DA's program ( https://www.manhattanda.org/…

I wish that DA had added some references to the studies that support less incarceration. It just doesn't make sense to me, he admits that Manhattan is the worst burrough for crime, then states that it is over incarcerating. How does one determine that?

Also he mentions social programs as an alternative to incarceration, but are these programs actually available? The crime rate suggests they are not, so reducing incarceration may be counterproductive until they are better established.

Re: Why it’s hard to buy deodorant in Manhattan

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To further underline your point, if the chain is (thief)→(amazon)→(end user) then the fence isn't "anyone with an Amazon" account: the fence is amazon .

Isn't the chain: (thief) -> (fence) -> (Amazon) -> (customer)? If a fence sells his wares in a bazaar, the bazaar is the fence? No, the fence is the fence the bazaar is the marketplace.

If Amazon is commingling inventory and Fulfilled By Amazon, it's not a bazaar, it is the fence.

Re: Why it’s hard to buy deodorant in Manhattan

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This is such a big nationwide problem that Target actually mentioned it during their earnings report (this is stated in the article.) Some states/cities have made it near impossible to prosecute these people, so the risk/reward is very favorable to stealing and reselling. Some stores have even closed down in certain areas because of it. When we talk about "food deserts" in some cities, it could one day be we have mas…

>and it will largely be a government policy failure.

You mean feature.

If you tell voters in no uncertain terms what will happen if they piss on the electric fence and they piss on it then it's safe to assume they wanted the results. Make no mistake, people were told certain policy would lead to businesses leaving these areas resulting in deserts. Voters voted for it anyway.

Re: Why it’s hard to buy deodorant in Manhattan

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Is it illegal to sell deodorant you got from the store after they put a tag on it?

Of course not. But it is really hard to turn a profit reselling a product you purchased at retail.

...which means if Amazon wants to avoid criminal behavior, they could ban such objects and not hurt legit sellers.

But if Amazon doesn't care, this system is not enough to convict a criminal.

Re: Why it’s hard to buy deodorant in Manhattan

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That’s one perspective. Another is that the truly greedy thing is to construct a society such that some people can’t afford basic necessities, and that inflicts far more suffering than people stealing what they need to live.

The struggle to survive is the starting condition in nature. That society doesn’t completely eradicate it (but only makes great strides in that direction) is not an indictment of society.

Some societies do better than others though. It’s perfectly reasonable to set the bar at least that high.

Re: Why it’s hard to buy deodorant in Manhattan

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What’s a new company doing selling old spice deodorant? What possible legitimate angle could it have?

There used to be a pretty active market in selling clearance stuff on Amazon and eBay.

So to block counterfiets and fencing, we need a verifiable chain of custody.

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Isn't the chain: (thief) -> (fence) -> (Amazon) -> (customer)? If a fence sells his wares in a bazaar, the bazaar is the fence? No, the fence is the fence the bazaar is the marketplace.

If Amazon is commingling inventory and Fulfilled By Amazon, it's not a bazaar, it is the fence.

They should rename it Fenced By Amazon

Re: Why it’s hard to buy deodorant in Manhattan

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Ooooooooohhhhhhh!! So I steal some consumer goods, put them in individual boxes, send them to Amazon warehouse and they distribute for me. I simply never put that together. But surely Amazon is literally handling stolen goods? Is there a smoking gun email?

In the big $8 million bust a few years back in the Bay Area, it turned out that they were paying street criminals more to steal specific items like toothpaste, but the police were frustrated by Amazon’s lack of assistance in figuring out all of the involved parties. Can’t find the specific article at the moment but that really stood out to me at the time. https://www.sfchronicle.com/crime/article/Bay-Area-retail-th..…

Amazing that a corpo can get away with "lack of assistance" when it is participating in a crime syndicate. Imagine if you or I tried that.
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