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CEO pay skyrocketed 1,460% since 1978: CEOs paid 399 times as much vs. worker

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Re: CEO pay skyrocketed 1,460% since 1978: CEOs paid 399 times as much vs. worker

#61

Maybe Karl Marx had a point? Sure, communist revolutions of the 20th century produced suboptimal results, but only because violent psychopaths were in power. We need democratic socialism. Maybe Bernie Sanders has right ideas.

> but only because violent psychopaths were in power.

There were way more problems with socialism than just the fact it breeds dictators.

If you're starving your people in the time of greatest abundance of food in history it might be more fundamentally flawed.

Re: CEO pay skyrocketed 1,460% since 1978: CEOs paid 399 times as much vs. worker

#62

> This escalation of CEO compensation and of executive compensation more generally has fueled the growth of top 1% and top 0.1% incomes, leaving fewer of the gains of economic growth for ordinary workers and widening the gap between very high earners and the bottom 90%. I ignore every article that separates the top 1% from ordinary workers. In the UK, to be in the top 1% of earners you need to earn 120K GBP gross a y…

What occupation does an ordinary worker have in your books? I'm curious, since for example I have always held doctors in the higher end of middle class workers: not quite 'i own a yacht' rich, but still economically set for a more cushier lifestyle. Yet, according to NHS[1] doctors in the UK earn 120k at best, so I'm sorry but something doesn't add up.

[1] https://www.healthcareers.nhs.uk/explore-roles/doctors/pay-d...

Re: CEO pay skyrocketed 1,460% since 1978: CEOs paid 399 times as much vs. worker

#63

> This escalation of CEO compensation and of executive compensation more generally has fueled the growth of top 1% and top 0.1% incomes, leaving fewer of the gains of economic growth for ordinary workers and widening the gap between very high earners and the bottom 90%. I ignore every article that separates the top 1% from ordinary workers. In the UK, to be in the top 1% of earners you need to earn 120K GBP gross a y…

I agree. In the US it’s really not hard to get into the top 1-2% as a salaried employee in the software industry.

The difference in feasibility between top X% of income vs wealth is large. Last I checked it was like $600k gross household income to get into the top 1% of incomes, but like $10mm wealth. You’d need to make a top 1% income and invest a good portion of the after-tax income for quite a while to get there.

All these punching up class warfare policies hurt the wrong people IMO. I have a 98%ile income and I live in a studio and can’t afford a house in the neighborhood I live in. Meanwhile Joe Rich works in a stereotypical rich boy field like sales, has a lot of family money ultimately stemming from things like land grants or moving to a US metro area a hundred years ago, has way more money than me and a more lavish lifestyle, and pays less taxes.

As far as I see it, higher income taxes actually just entrench class divisions and make it harder to enter upper classes. Rich people aren’t affected much by income taxes and remain rich, except even more unattainably so

Re: CEO pay skyrocketed 1,460% since 1978: CEOs paid 399 times as much vs. worker

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post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

CEOs getting insane pay doesn't exist in a vacuum. You can't use the "trickle down" economy as a proverbial carrot when people can't put gas in their car or heat their home while Bezos&co buy a new yacht every other day > The idea that if things get bad enough "people" are going to do something about it can just occur to someone that hasn't seen enough of the world. Or I'm French, who knows ;) Continue selling ports…

Last time heads were rolling in France people were starving.

If you mean the last revolution, this is wrong. The last successfull French revolution (1830) had nothing to do with starvation. Even the 1871 revolt didn't had much to do with what and how to eat. We killed factory owners for far less than an empty stomach.

But at the time, we understood that the police was really representing the business owners (landowners, industrialists) more than the government and put their crimes not on the individual, but on the hand that lead them. I feel like this understanding is coming back in the US.

Re: CEO pay skyrocketed 1,460% since 1978: CEOs paid 399 times as much vs. worker

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post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Damn, why did people create companies for the past 300 years ? Why did people become entrepreneur ? They didn't have anywhere close to 400 times their workers salary, must have been a miserable life What's the point of it all when you have enough money to sustain your entire genealogy tree from the birth of earth to the heat death of the universe ? These people are clinically ill

Tech driven automation is creating opportunities that didn't exist before and there is way more competition. CEOs have a crucial impact on company and are paid in stocks. Does this article and related figure accounts for all the failed startups CEOs whose stock turned out to be worthless?

Your first two points have no evidence to support the notion that CEOs need to be paid as much as they are. Your third point is useless because all of the employees also got shafted.

Re: CEO pay skyrocketed 1,460% since 1978: CEOs paid 399 times as much vs. worker

#66
Like most people I think that this is ludicrous, but could someone give a shot at playing devil's advocate and justifying this? Are competent CEOs so much harder to get, do they really produce a 1,460% more value compared to '78, etc.?

Re: CEO pay skyrocketed 1,460% since 1978: CEOs paid 399 times as much vs. worker

#67

> This escalation of CEO compensation and of executive compensation more generally has fueled the growth of top 1% and top 0.1% incomes, leaving fewer of the gains of economic growth for ordinary workers and widening the gap between very high earners and the bottom 90%. I ignore every article that separates the top 1% from ordinary workers. In the UK, to be in the top 1% of earners you need to earn 120K GBP gross a y…

Dude you live in one of the most in-demand cities in the world, expecting cheap rent is a pipe dream. The only way prices will go down is if lots of people, maybe even you, move out of London!

Re: CEO pay skyrocketed 1,460% since 1978: CEOs paid 399 times as much vs. worker

#68

> This escalation of CEO compensation and of executive compensation more generally has fueled the growth of top 1% and top 0.1% incomes, leaving fewer of the gains of economic growth for ordinary workers and widening the gap between very high earners and the bottom 90%. I ignore every article that separates the top 1% from ordinary workers. In the UK, to be in the top 1% of earners you need to earn 120K GBP gross a y…

In other words they may have/earn (big distinction that is often overlooked) 100x more which seems egregiously unfair but if there are 10000x fewer of them, then it's not a big problem unless you're trying to appeal to emotion with single case studies.

Re: CEO pay skyrocketed 1,460% since 1978: CEOs paid 399 times as much vs. worker

#69
Capital allocators are always paid top dollar. CEOs are only a small part of it. Wall street bankers are paid top dollar too? They find investment opportunities that can generate returns. Traders make a lot of money too. What value do they add to society? They help in the price discovery of assets. Are they paid fairly, who knows?

From a job complexity standpoint, CEO jobs are more challenging than bankers since they have to manage a real business to generate a positive return. Bankers have no skin in the game and yet make millions.

Re: CEO pay skyrocketed 1,460% since 1978: CEOs paid 399 times as much vs. worker

#70
These remarks about the salary of the last percentile of the population only serve to raise controversy.

If you want to see how people's well-being has evolved, you have to make somewhat more intelligent comparisons: for example by looking at what people can afford today compared to 50 years ago, or through quality of life indexes. The only thing that has changed for the worse seems to me to be the cost of real estate in the big cities, because of an obvious concentration of the population in them and not because the 1 percent of the population has bought everything.

But outraged people will always find something to be outraged about.

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