If that pay didn't go to the CEO, who would get it? The shareholders. And who are the shareholders? The wealthiest 10% own almost 90% of stocks.
> The wealthiest 10% own almost 90% of stocks.
Source? Whenever I spot check this, the majority of individual company stocks are owned by index and mutual funds, and there’s no clear way to break down who holds those funds.
Populists have so far been able to focus all that anger at immigrants and LGBT people.
You got it the other way round. After the 1% protests, media started publishing social justice articles to divide & conquer the population. The percentage of woke words like “racist”, “sexist” and “gender” rose rapidly!
It’s eminently clear that identity politics is the name of the game across the political spectrum.
> This escalation of CEO compensation and of executive compensation more generally has fueled the growth of top 1% and top 0.1% incomes, leaving fewer of the gains of economic growth for ordinary workers and widening the gap between very high earners and the bottom 90%. I ignore every article that separates the top 1% from ordinary workers. In the UK, to be in the top 1% of earners you need to earn 120K GBP gross a y…
> The problem is that basic necessities have been turned into a profit-printing machine and you pay 2K a month for a 500 square feet apartment in London.
There would be significantly more profit (and tax revenue) if it was possible to build more housing in London.
Although artificially constraining supply and reducing competition has contributed significantly to the problem of there being a few big winners vs a broad set. So it's still relevant.
It could go to the people who produce the value in the first place: the workers.
At what point should someone's creation be confiscated and given to employees?
At what point is something with somebody's name on it that they never touch, but is completely created and maintained by others, considered not their creation anymore? I would think it would be death, but it's probably 70 years after death. Thousands of people, laboring day and night on the creation of a dead man who even when he was alive may have never quite known how it worked.
It could go to the people who produce the value in the first place: the workers.
At what point should someone's creation be confiscated and given to employees?
Gradually over the course of ~12-36 years, depending on the number of employees. If you started your business, say, Bamazon, 25 years ago or whatever, and its year 26, you're a trillion dollar corporation, etc, most of the new value add happening at Bamazon isn't down to the CEO's brilliance anymore, just because of the sheer scale of Bamazon. So by then most of that new value add should be going to the workers. Bezos would still have become a billionaire or whatever. And you can implement this pretty straight forwardly actually by just printing new shares for workers as part of their total comp.
It could go to the people who produce the value in the first place: the workers.
At what point should someone's creation be confiscated and given to employees?
It's not their creation, it's their idea. The employees are the ones who literally created it. Even if you assume all CEOs are founders, the thought that they deserve more than two orders of magnitude more compensation for leasing their idea is wild.
> This escalation of CEO compensation and of executive compensation more generally has fueled the growth of top 1% and top 0.1% incomes, leaving fewer of the gains of economic growth for ordinary workers and widening the gap between very high earners and the bottom 90%. I ignore every article that separates the top 1% from ordinary workers. In the UK, to be in the top 1% of earners you need to earn 120K GBP gross a y…
In the USA I think the top 1% income income floor is circa $550k nationally, or circa $400k when viewed state by state. Which is pretty solidly above what I'd call "typical incomes." It's an income level that should easily translate into permanent wealth within 20 years if sustained, even if it isn't billionaire class.
> CEOs are getting ever-higher pay over time because of their power to set pay and because so much of their pay (more than 80%) is stock-relate This is the key to their high compensations, and in some ways it has to be like that because how else are you going to incentivize a CEO to raise the value of the company? Say a CEO was paid exactly what the engineers at a company were paid, it doesn't matter to him if the st…
How about you fire them if they don't perform and only hire people who perform well. Even with this incentive most CEOs don't perform well and many gut their companies to raise the stock price and leave.
This is a really important point. Seems like the people who are justifying pay imbalances are doing so on the basis of conflating a company's value with its stock price.
Ultimately the question comes down to your ethics around money, but it is interesting to get a peek behind the psychological veil. People who worship CEOs for being able to pull big buxxx do so because they assume that more money in existence is better, period, without thinking about where that money goes and what it funds.
Maybe Karl Marx had a point? Sure, communist revolutions of the 20th century produced suboptimal results, but only because violent psychopaths were in power. We need democratic socialism. Maybe Bernie Sanders has right ideas.
Well we have 10m people living under poverty, even armed with forks and spoons they'd take the Elysee in a day. Even the 42 000 homeless children living in France could take care of it
Poverty definition is a relative definition. Hence you're measuring inequalities, not wealth