Earlier quoted context omitted.
"You have 20 seconds to comply"
“I'd buy that for a dollar!”
“We killed you!”
San Francisco police consider letting robots use ‘deadly force’
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Re: San Francisco police consider letting robots use ‘deadly force’
#72All that comes to mind is Robocop, based in Detroit if I remember correctly.
LIST PRIME DIRECTIVES
1. SERVE THE PUBLIC TRUST 2. PROTECT THE INNOCENT 3. UPHOLD THE LAW
—- 4. CONFIDENTIAL (blink blink blink)
Re: San Francisco police consider letting robots use ‘deadly force’
#73Earlier quoted context omitted.
A dangerous criminal with an arrest warrant doesn't need to pose an immediate threat to the police, they can still run and then hurt or kill other innocent people down the line. I'm not sure if this kind of rational/utilitarian approach to thinking about policing is useful, because soon you'll end up with a perfect surveillance state and robo executioners for "the greater good". Maybe throw some precrime work in ther…
I don't see how this is a relevant argument. Police can already use deadly force when someone poses an immediate threat to themselves or others. Using deadly force via a remote controlled robot when a suspect poses an immediate threat to others isn't an expansion of that use of force policy. Killing somebody just because they're running from an outstanding warrant would be a new and terrible policy whether or not a r…
This already happened, a US citizen was killed by drone strike in Yemen ordered by the US president (Obama at the time). So yes, it is very relevant.
Who guarantees you they wouldn't do it at home if they're now given the same capability on US soil? A terrorist on the run - they could take them out by robot instead of having to go through the arduous process of an arrest and court of law. Maybe he didn't comply with orders given by the robot and ran. You see?
Re: San Francisco police consider letting robots use ‘deadly force’
#74Imagine a terrorist cell, which has no leader, no members, no financiers but is able to attack anyway. A DAO hires gig workers to assemble a "product" in a property which it has rented, the product is then programed by the DAO to attack the city it resides in. The DAO having speculated on shares of competitors of companies within the city, moves ever onwards. Terrorism as a software glider gun. Its a major theme in m…
> a terrorist cell, which has no leader, no members, no financiers but is able to attack anyway. This is called "stochastic terrorism". It has carried out at least two attacks in the United States in the past week. Doesn't require fancy technology, just very effective ideological poisoning.
Which attacks are you referring to, out of interest?
Re: San Francisco police consider letting robots use ‘deadly force’
#75Earlier quoted context omitted.
Fortunately what we have learned is that terrorists at the end of the day are pretty dumb. People capable of doing mass damage are not ones to soccumb to extremist ideology.
Fortunately what we have learned is that terrorists at the end of the day are pretty dumb. Is that because the ones we don't think are dumb get called "freedom fighters"?
No, the freedom fighters tend to be pretty dumb too - see Jan. 6th.
Whether they get called freedom fighters or terrorists depends more on their race and religion than their capabilities.
Re: San Francisco police consider letting robots use ‘deadly force’
#76As long as it's remotely controlled, it's not a bad idea. Why should policemen risk their lives when confronting dangerous criminals? I see two potential problems though: 1) security, 2) sooner or later - in 20 or 50 years - someone will have the brilliant idea of making one of those "autonomous". This would be the beginning of a long nightmare.
It may not be a bad idea in a country in which the police can be trusted, but that country would not be the United States.
Re: San Francisco police consider letting robots use ‘deadly force’
#77All that comes to mind is Robocop, based in Detroit if I remember correctly.
Yes, I've been thinking of that scene as well:
RoboCop: Director's Cut | REMASTERED - ED-209 Malfunction Scene (1080p)
Re: San Francisco police consider letting robots use ‘deadly force’
#78American police have already used a law enforcement robot to kill a suspect, and way back in 2016. The infamous Micah Johnson situation (https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/jul/08/police-bo...).
San Francisco police using a robot to kill or the use of deadly force, would not be any kind of new ground or blazing new trails for American police.
Re: San Francisco police consider letting robots use ‘deadly force’
#79As long as it's remotely controlled, it's not a bad idea. Why should policemen risk their lives when confronting dangerous criminals? I see two potential problems though: 1) security, 2) sooner or later - in 20 or 50 years - someone will have the brilliant idea of making one of those "autonomous". This would be the beginning of a long nightmare.
> 2) sooner or later - in 20 or 50 years - someone will have the brilliant idea of making one of those "autonomous". 2 to 5 years
Yeah, but it will be all ok, it will only be a beta!
Re: San Francisco police consider letting robots use ‘deadly force’
#80Earlier quoted context omitted.
Man, I felt the feels for Chappie. Elysium also offered some interesting scenarios on automated policing.
Can you describe some? What I remember from Elysium is: med beds, elite donut world in orbit, corporate dystopian slave earth, exoskeletons.
Attempting to explain his situation to the robot police officers at the scene, where they broke his arm for 'resisting'.
Something like that. I think there was a similar interaction at the police station. Automated responses, no grey area, computer says no.