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Microsoft's ex-UI chief is shocked about the Windows 11 start menu

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Re: Microsoft's ex-UI chief is shocked about the Windows 11 start menu

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Personally I like Windows 11 fine except I want my taskbar on the side.

My biggest gripe is they finally removed the option to have windows not combined with labels in the taskbar. I guess it was bound to happen eventually.

That is the biggest feature stopping me from upgrading. I generally have 20-30 windows open, usually 4 or 5 browser windows with tabs grouped by what I'm doing with them. Combined labels would destroy my workflow.

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I would pay so much money to just be able to use Windows 7's UI with Windows 10's performance improvements. Try spinning Windows 7 up in a VM sometime. Using it is such a wonderous experience. It's almost perfect. I miss it so much. To me, Windows 8/8.1/10/11 have all been massive downgrades to different extents.

I for one, couldn't go back to a laptop without a touch screen, and for current purposes, Id be unhappy without the pen input to go with the multi touch. While the UIs look bad, the touch and pen UX together in windows 10 is fantastic

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I would pay so much money to just be able to use Windows 7's UI with Windows 10's performance improvements. Try spinning Windows 7 up in a VM sometime. Using it is such a wonderous experience. It's almost perfect. I miss it so much. To me, Windows 8/8.1/10/11 have all been massive downgrades to different extents.

I don't notice much difference between experience in Windows 7 and Windows 11, aside from needing to manage more policies to prevent their cloud based services. Windows 11 isn't bad if you disable the adware portion. The terminal app is pretty good now and WSL works, albeit not as pleasant as something more native like Linux or even macOS terminal, but the adware is what cripples it IMO.

The terminal app and functional WSL are both available in Windows 10, though. 11 didn't add either of those.

Re: Microsoft's ex-UI chief is shocked about the Windows 11 start menu

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Personally I like Windows 11 fine except I want my taskbar on the side.

Right click taskbar > taskbar settings > taskbar behavior > taskbar alignment: Left

This functionality was removed in Windows 11 and as far as I know has not yet returned.

Re: Microsoft's ex-UI chief is shocked about the Windows 11 start menu

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Personally I like Windows 11 fine except I want my taskbar on the side.

My biggest gripe is they finally removed the option to have windows not combined with labels in the taskbar. I guess it was bound to happen eventually.

It's pretty clear they're moving towards MacOS.

Re: Microsoft's ex-UI chief is shocked about the Windows 11 start menu

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Honestly Windows 11 is getting better all the time. It's much cleaner and less cluttered compared to 10 as well. It's not perfect of course, but it's the best one so far imo, and it keeps getting better. I really like the new way to connect and manage Bluetooth devices from the taskbar that was recently added. But then again, it's Windows, so when you look underneath the shiny new surface and realize e.g there's no w…

Omitting Bluetooth flyout on Win11 21H2 was really weird decision. It's happy that it came back on 22H2, but I don't praise MS for it.

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I still like the time they put the full screen win8 metro style start menu on their server OS. Pure genius!

I'm still not sure I understand what made that so heretical other than being different. I can't really imagine any scenario where I'd be using the start menu and want to see something else at the same time.

The reason why you need to open the start menu is often on screen, then you hit the Windows key and the context that should be driving your next action is hidden. All it takes is a brief moment of distraction and — if you're like me — you'll completely forget why you opened the menu in the first place.

It's like walking into a room and forgetting why you had entered. At that point, maybe you return where you came from and see an unopened package. Then you remember: you were retrieving scissors.

When the motivating context is in front of you, it's easier to remember what your goal is.

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