Microsoft's ex-UI chief is shocked about the Windows 11 start menu

Post by [deleted] » Thu, Nov 24, 2022, 6:45 AM UTC

svnpenn wrote: post #40

anaisbetts wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you read the article and see what he was complaining about? He typed the word "Chrome" and the top hit was a web search with a bunch of ads on the right-hand sidebar. His complaints were 100% justified and imho correct, and the immediate jump to ad-hominem attacks rather than debating the content of the article seems uncalled for.

sorry, but this is one of the few cases where its justified. Anyone whos developed on Windows since 7 or before (raises hand) knows how awful Window UI has been since 8. You wouldn't want Richard Nixon (if he was alive) commenting on Obama's term would you? Even if Harris is 100% right, its just tone deaf and in bad taste. No one want to hear his opinion on Microsoft products. Hes done enough already.

Post by svnpenn » Thu, Nov 24, 2022, 6:46 AM UTC

jackjeff wrote: post #38

svnpenn wrote: post #6

I work in IT. The Windows 10/11 "settings" are a hole pile of shit. It seems like Microsoft almost purposefully took the 10 things you would most often use, and nested them so deep that you cant even memorize how to find them anymore. So you get forced into using the god awful search, which returns results FROM THE GOD DAMN INTERNET. If I am in Windows setting, or hell even on just the normal Start Menu, I DON'T WANT…

Disable web search. I think I’ve done something like that on Win10. https://nerdschalk.com/how-to-disable-web-results-in-windows...

Post by plaguepilled » Thu, Nov 24, 2022, 6:51 AM UTC

anaisbetts wrote: post #35

withinrafael wrote: post #21

Harris was chief of the Windows User Experience for Windows 8. He created Windows 8. He created Metro UI. He created the Windows 8 Start screen, charms, allowed ads in its inbox apps (e.g. Weather), etc. Keep that in mind when Harris says things like "the Start menu is Microsoft's flagship user experience. It should represent the very best UI design the company is capable of."

Did you read the article and see what he was complaining about? He typed the word "Chrome" and the top hit was a web search with a bunch of ads on the right-hand sidebar. His complaints were 100% justified and imho correct, and the immediate jump to ad-hominem attacks rather than debating the content of the article seems uncalled for.

Post by svnpenn » Thu, Nov 24, 2022, 6:52 AM UTC

roca wrote: post #41

This isn't a good example to use to critique the Start Menu because it's a special case --- downloading Chrome is an action that Microsoft does not want you to complete, so making it a good experience is a Microsoft non-goal.

Post by [deleted] » Thu, Nov 24, 2022, 6:55 AM UTC

notRobot wrote: post #3

I would pay so much money to just be able to use Windows 7's UI with Windows 10's performance improvements. Try spinning Windows 7 up in a VM sometime. Using it is such a wonderous experience. It's almost perfect. I miss it so much. To me, Windows 8/8.1/10/11 have all been massive downgrades to different extents.