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Writing by hand is still the best way to retain information

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Re: Writing by hand is still the best way to retain information

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I'm now 54 and I've had my way of doing things for quite a long time. For me, I write down, on paper, TODOs and other notes. It's my primary means of recording information. I also have my own personal Confluence cloud instance, for which I pay like $12 a month, on which I record things I've learned which I know I'll forget and which I'll want to remember in the future.

For example, on my "C and C++ page", I actually used my note regarding "nm --demangle" which I used to help figure out a linker issue in some C++ code that I have to build in my current job. I haven't done much with C/C++ in years, so this was helpful to trigger long forgotten skills.

I do find that writing on paper is important, and helpful to not lose certain tasks. It is also helpful when I'm learning, even if those notes never make it to more long term storage. I find comfort writing things down, especially TODOs, since they won't be forgotten. It also helped me when I was learning Go, or Kubernetes.

The other thing I've learned in my career is that everyone is different. I've stopped trying to convince anyone that 'my way' is better. It's only worked for me, that much is certain. Can I learn new tricks as an old dog? Sure, for example, I recently learned to use 'ripgrep' and it's my new go-to tool.

Be open to new things, but also try and optimize what is best for you. Peace and happy thanksgiving for those that celebrate!

Re: Writing by hand is still the best way to retain information

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Have you considered buying loose leaf notebook paper instead of printer paper? You get lines and I’d imagine it’s even cheaper.

Indeed. It’s pretty hard to be $.25 store brand spiral notepads for cost per page.

And longevity. I have my note books from 20 years ago on the same shelf as my notebooks from last year. Apart from pictures (I had a digital camera in the mid nineties) The number of files that have survived the transition between a dozen computers is not that high.

Re: Writing by hand is still the best way to retain information

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I just want an eink tablet that lets me search my handwriting using grep. It's almost 2023, why doesn't something like this exist!?!

Not an eink tablet, but Samsung Notes app on Samsung tablets do exactly this. It lets you search your handwriting without converting the handwriting into text first.

Re: Writing by hand is still the best way to retain information

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I'd be curious if anyone had good advice on how to improve your handwriting ability well into adulthood (I'm 35). My penmanship was so bad in grade school that I attended special education classes to improve it, but it still was and remains horrible. This is a source of insecurity for me and since I've always been glued to a keyboard it has been easy to handwave away as "screw this, the world is all typing-based anyh…

There are plenty of resources on Youtube on how to better your Handwriting: https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=handwriting+adu...

But i would say don't worry about it as long as you can read what you have written down. Notes are for personal use only. For example, my handwriting is atrocious and most other people can't read it but that is fine by me.

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I made the observation that hand-writing extremely helps me to solve problems (especially programming and math related). In some way it removes mental barriers / distractions I have when using digital tools (how do i want to organise this? can i link something here?). I can just dump every thought on paper and work way more creatively. In most cases the notes are dumped in the bin afterwards (one couln't uderstand th…

I have the same experience. You don't have to have any diagnose (ADHD etc) to struggle with cognitive load. Every little thing you can eliminate from process, actually helps.

Re: Writing by hand is still the best way to retain information

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I just want to add a gigantic caveat: NOT FOR EVERYBODY. I know a lot of people who insist writing by hand helps them. But I also know it's TERRIBLE for me personally. The article claims: > Writing by hand on paper creates a tactile, personalized experience... The complex experience of hand writing on paper contains a multitude of variable elements: the creativity of an individual’s written representation of language…

> For me, all of that is a bunch of irrelevant noise.

I share that exact same experience you describe.

For me, learning is all about making connections between the new material and material I already know.

If I kept notes I would have to do three things at once: (1) Follow the material, (2) try to question the material and search my brain for material I already know to make connections with, and (3) take notes, and there's just not enough cognitive capacity to do all three.

Taking notes means turning off the making-connections piece, and that's the most valuable piece to me, and I believe that this is not just a subjective experience, but something that would affect other people too: Focussing on note-taking instead of connections, creates a qualitatively different learning outcome, namely one that leans more towards superficial rote reproduction and less towards real understanding.

In school, when the teacher said something that was unclear or that flat out made no sense, I'd frequently be the one to ask for clarification. Then 20 other heads would pop up from their note-taking and notice that they didn't understand it either, but somehow they didn't notice, and I did. ...they would have happily reproduced the material that made no sense given the right prompt in an exam situation, but that didn't change anything about the fact that they didn't understand it.

What's more: I couldn't engage in that style of learning even if I wanted to. Like: If I tried to turn off the part of my brain that searches for meaning, e.g. when something simply has no meaning, like an exact date of an event in history that I need to know for an exam, then I still wouldn't remember the damned date, plus I wouldn't remember any of the broad themes either. The only thing that would happen would be that my brain would be bored and would wander off thinking about something else that's more interesting.

Re: Writing by hand is still the best way to retain information

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I do draw and write things by hand, but typing is absolutely faster, and ESPECIALLY because you can seamlessly edit. And you know, printers exist.

Not to mention full-text search, which feels more natural than manually organizing and upkeeping folders.

Re: Writing by hand is still the best way to retain information

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I'm going to challenge the question - if I've got something written down, why would I need to memorize it? Maybe in school where closed-notes tests are a thing, sure, but nowhere in the 'real-world' tests one's ability to memorize in the strict sense. I write things down for a reason and that reason is not just accessory to memorizing it. I put things on paper precisely so I don't have to put them in my brain. To kee…

> I put things on paper precisely so I don't have to put them in my brain. To keep them in both places would be redundant. I think that makes sense if your only goal is to reference the information, like looking up information in a personal library. But I like to write by hand so I can record my understanding of the information, my putting the information in context in my own words. Sometimes I'll never refer to the…

>The writing is part of the leading to understanding by way of reformulating the information into my own words --- situating it in a context that makes sense for me

This is the essence of why it is important to learn to Write/Diagram by hand. It helps in the memorization and understanding of data within my personal framework.

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