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Draft policy proposal would authorize SF Police to use deadly force with robots
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Re: Draft policy proposal would authorize SF Police to use deadly force with robots
#22Isn't this just a remotely controlled gun? If we'd be talking about AI making its own decisions that's a different thing. In addition to this I feel better decisions would be made when the person holding the gun isn't threatened by his or her life.
Step by step, that's where we could end up.
Step 1: Remote controlled guns
Step 2: Built in AR sighting and suspect identification
Step 3: ML powered accuracy enhancement
Step 4: AI powered everything, human controller just has to click "Approve Killing"
Step 5: AI kill-decision making
I'm probably being a bit paranoid, but it's also easy to imagine that kind of scenario.
Re: Draft policy proposal would authorize SF Police to use deadly force with robots
#23Earlier quoted context omitted.
Cops in america already shoot way too many people. Do you think giving them the ability to do that from a remote location is going to help?
So you think sending in humans is the better option? - REPLYING TO BELOW - > Why does anyone or anything need to “go in”? There are plenty of other ways to deal with these situations instead of pretending to be Seal Team Six. Such as? Like a large magnet to pull the guns out of their hand? Sometimes these situations will only result in shootouts, like busting a drug operation of a gang. Then you have to go in to prot…
Why does anyone or anything need to “go in”? There are plenty of other ways to deal with these situations instead of pretending to be Seal Team Six.
Re: Draft policy proposal would authorize SF Police to use deadly force with robots
#24nope slippery slope to RoboCop
Re: Draft policy proposal would authorize SF Police to use deadly force with robots
#25I can't possibly imagine how anyone thinks this is a good idea. US police are already over-militarized and under-accountable. We as Americans need to stop worshiping "men in uniform" including all levels of law enforcement and military and hold them to the same standard as any other member of society -- stop giving them everything they want and stop spoiling them when they call us unpatriotic.
Re: Draft policy proposal would authorize SF Police to use deadly force with robots
#26Isn't this just a remotely controlled gun? If we'd be talking about AI making its own decisions that's a different thing. In addition to this I feel better decisions would be made when the person holding the gun isn't threatened by his or her life.
Yeah, while reflexively I would like to see less of both guns, and robots with guns, I can also see that sending a (human-controlled) robot into a dangerous situation could (not necessarily “would”) lessen the risk of fatal accidents.
Re: Draft policy proposal would authorize SF Police to use deadly force with robots
#27Earlier quoted context omitted.
Cops in america already shoot way too many people. Do you think giving them the ability to do that from a remote location is going to help?
So you think sending in humans is the better option? - REPLYING TO BELOW - > Why does anyone or anything need to “go in”? There are plenty of other ways to deal with these situations instead of pretending to be Seal Team Six. Such as? Like a large magnet to pull the guns out of their hand? Sometimes these situations will only result in shootouts, like busting a drug operation of a gang. Then you have to go in to prot…
There's always not "fighting fire with fire"
Working on having less guns would be a start. In terms of "less lethal" pepper spray is usually pretty good
Re: Draft policy proposal would authorize SF Police to use deadly force with robots
#28How are guns not robots?
A machine and a robot are not the same thing.
A firearm is a machine. We even have so-called "Machine Guns". All firearms require external input to operate, and cannot operate autonomously.
You can affix a firearm to a robot, however the firearm still requires input to operate.
Re: Draft policy proposal would authorize SF Police to use deadly force with robots
#29Fake site with scraped content.
Re: Draft policy proposal would authorize SF Police to use deadly force with robots
#30Note that under discussion is only remote controlled electromechanical devices. They are not requesting permission for autonomous killer robots. (yet) Surprisingly, there is already precedent for this in US policing. All the way back in 2016, a gunman in Dallas was killed by police using a bomb defusal robot with remote-control explosives attached to it: https://www.texastribune.org/2016/07/08/use-robot-kill-dalla...
Yes I was hoping someone mentioned this. There's already precedent for this kind of thing, I'm honestly surprised they even need to ask for permission in this case.
It's not automated, it's just remote controlled.