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Re: Valve Introduces Proton Next

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> How the fuck do other grownups do it? (I'm 49, and exhausted all the time) I suppose the answer is "they don't". I've found that I can't really commit to any side project any more because my time off is not consistent. Also: > 5pm-8pm doing stuff with the kids You're a better parent than me. I have such days, but I can't say I spend this much quality time with my child every day. In any case I have a friend from tw…

“One parent as the homemaker” — this looks very unfair in 2022.

how so?

Re: Valve Introduces Proton Next

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Basically anything recent but not the latest components will work well. If you want hassle-free then going with amd everything is the most efficient IMO. I'm running a ryzen 3600 and a radeon rx5700xt, and i've not had any driver issues, be it with x11 or wayland. I've been playing a bunch of games from my library but there are still some games that aren't compatible (for ex. Vermintide 2 has non-compatible anticheat…

Interesting point about VR. I guess the sets and controllers are married even more so to the Windows APIs and will incur stark penalty on immersion for even slightest lag (due to API translation)? A bummer for sure. I also honestly was leaning more towards buying a used RTX 3080 or RTX 3090 from one of the (ex) Ethereum miners. I actually played through Cyberpunk 2077 on Geforce Now "RTX 3080" and am definitely spoil…

I'm using a 3070 on Linux and it's usable with the latest GNOME/KDE versions on Wayland. If you're purely looking for a Linux gaming solution, Nvidia isn't a terrible choice now. If you want an all-in-one machine with the best support available, you'll probably want AMD or Intel hardware.

Re: Valve Introduces Proton Next

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Why is it magic? Wine has been around since forever. It's not like Valve wrote most of the underlying code proton runs on. And what's with all the valve/steam hype from people that should know better? At the end of the day you are using a DRM front end (steam) that fragments the mod ecosystem and obfuscates the process of installing and running the software you paid for on your own computer.

> At the end of the day you are using a DRM front end (steam) I take it you don't use Steam. Yes, Steam is DRM, but it's the most non-intrusive DRM to have ever existed. You can play your games offline. There are no "false positive" errors when it comes to copy protection. No activation limits. I've done at least 5 system overhauls since Steam came out, and I've never had it tell me "Sorry, you can't reinstall that g…

It's not just DRM, it's also an advertising profile and software usage monitoring application. Recording the number of hours I play a game or which game is about as invasive as when the Patriot Act tried to go after public library patron records.

GOG provides offline archive installers. A web browser can be used to both browse the GOG catalog and download updates. An app store's walled garden mimicking that behavior is not required.

Is it true that steam limits concurrent access to one's catalog, or prevents other family members from accessing the same account for a game if a different one is being played? Digital products should not be made to artificially suffer the limitations of real-world objects.

As for mods, some GOG games can't access the steam workshop recently. This is bad for the longetivity of the game and it's success, and of course for modders and players.

And I believe that there is still a steam runtime that games check for, even if launching outside of Steam. If I wanted random corporate software blobs running all the time on my computer, I would use a Mac or Wintel machine and call it a feature.

Re: Valve Introduces Proton Next

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It's Steam's downstream fork of Wine, which is not an emulator.

1. An emulator is a system which implements another system's functionality so as to serve as a usable replacement. Examples include in-circuit emulators for hardware components, or software emulators for game system hardware. In each case, the emulator is a usable replacement for the original system. 2. WINE reimplements the functionality of Windows, as exposed by the Windows ABI, as software running on Linux. 3. The…

#1 defines a compatibility later, rather than an emulator, in my mind. Emulators typically perform some form of translation from the original (completely unsupported) code to something the host can understand. Wine implements PE binary support natively in Linux.

Re: Valve Introduces Proton Next

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I watched a talk by GabeN years ago, where he explained his business philosophy (which also had to do with his exit from Microsoft). It was strikingly simple: treat your customers well. Supporting Linux is treating his customers well (even if the majority of customers don't understand that... yet).

The Steam brand and mindshare is second to none in my experience. My tweener kids will preference Steam over all other platforms. They would rather buy/re-buy, or pay more for a game on Steam than use another game launcher. Their are games that are free to play with Xbox game pass, but they would rather buy and play them under Steam. They have negative views on Epic, Ubisoft and so on. Blizzard/Battle.net aren't even…

It's not just kids though ... I have free games on Epic and I honestly can't be bothered playing them. I've caught myself almost re-buying them as well.

Re: Valve Introduces Proton Next

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I want to buy a SteamDeck. But I don't think I have the spare hours. After work, taking care of the kids, and housework I _might_ have 1 spare hour a day to sit down with the wife. I'd rather watch something on TV with her. To have any kind of free time I have to stay up till 1am! I could bring the SteamDeck when I bring the kids to the park, but that just feels like I'm cheating the kids. I work from home. 8am-9am g…

My wife loves the Steam Deck, mainly because I've been playing more games in the living room at night, instead of playing games in my office. Being in the same room as one another, even if we're doing different things, works pretty good for us. It's also gotten them back into PC games, as they have more access to games through family sharing and the Deck does a great job of taking care of most of the fiddly bits of p…

> Being in the same room as one another, even if we're doing different things, works pretty good for us.

My partner feels this way too. I feel the opposite. To me in some way I cannot reason it makes me wish we would a) do anything else as long as we had each other's attention or b) enjoy time to ourselves. Either to me lead to better longer term health.

Re: Valve Introduces Proton Next

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Wine is amazing too but if you notice, Wine is not as great at running Windows apps as Proton is at running Windows games. Most games work great with Proton but only a few apps work properly with Wine. > And what's with all the valve/steam hype from people that should know better? In Linus Torvalds' own words: "Valve will save the Linux Desktop"

Proton is a frontend to Wine.

No, not really.

Proton is a fork of Wine with patches for games specifically.

There are no frontends for Wine, maybe Winetricks and Lutris can be called that but not exactly.

Re: Valve Introduces Proton Next

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The initial release of Proton felt like magic to me. I tried many games with Wine across many years, from versions well before Wine 1.0 to 4.0, I also tried CodeWeavers something (Crossover?) when that was a thing. A few games worked very well, for example I remember running a newly-released Civ4 almost seamlessly. But most games didn't. Some would be playable but with graphical or audio glitches, performance or stab…

>Then Proton came and, almost overnight I haven't been able to find any info to confirm but I have a sneaking suspicion that Proton builds heavily on Codeweaver's Crossover. The vast majority of commits in the Proton repo come from Codeweavers employees

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonevangelho/2019/09/19/fine-... Valve has contracted Codeweavers

Re: Valve Introduces Proton Next

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> The Steam brand and mindshare is second to none in my experience. They've certainly come a long way. I remember when they first tied the release of CounterStrike to installing Steam (CS 1.6, 2002), and that was not received well. Online auth was spotty. People were not happy about having this extra software hogging their memory. But Valve steadily improved it, and made a worthwhile value proposition. It's worth com…

Microsoft actively discourages its Xbox employees from talking to customers. Valve actively encourages talking to customers and helping them out. (I've worked in both places. It's night and day in that respect).

Just looked this up. Valve also seems one of the few privately owned companies, not publicly traded as a stock. Maybe there's a connection.
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