Okay, but what does it actually do?
Valve Introduces Proton Next
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#72Happy to see a fix for final fantasy XIV launcher. That thing had been an infuriating ordeal.
Kudos to the proton team for supporting such an archaic technology.
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#73Due to Proton I feel like coming back to PC gaming after almost 20 years, great stewardship by Valve there. The last "rig" I built was for Doom 3 after which I'd never bothered with keeping a NTFS partition again. Apple silicon just doesn't seem to get to the levels needed for a state-of-the-art Cyberpunk 2077 experience even on pricier high-end Macs. I'm also still not willing to buy any "next-gen" consoles for the…
Basically anything recent but not the latest components will work well. If you want hassle-free then going with amd everything is the most efficient IMO.
I'm running a ryzen 3600 and a radeon rx5700xt, and i've not had any driver issues, be it with x11 or wayland. I've been playing a bunch of games from my library but there are still some games that aren't compatible (for ex. Vermintide 2 has non-compatible anticheat) so i keep a spartan windows instal on a 128gb ssd for those and VR. VR is a non-starter on linux.
That being said, nvidia has RT cores now, which can do very fast matrix multiplication which is advantageous for ML workloads (on top of a lot of ml work being optimized for cuda cores). Can't speak to their drivers but older cards should be safer, especially considering the 40 series hasn't been shown to be worth it over used 30 series.
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#74A reminder once again that Proton only exists because, for all the benefits of Linux, making a native Linux port is a massive mess. The community calling for developers to make native ports often forget that Linux's userland stability and consistency is simply not at the level developers expect or need for a quality port. Until the day arrives when you can install a game on, say, Fedora 37 that was initially develope…
I've yet to have a game not work because I was using the wrong distro.
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#76Can proton be used to run other windows software well under Linux? I would KILL to have desktop-excel in xubuntu.
If you're looking for applications, CodeWeavers' Crossover Office is the place to go. If you actually can't afford it, you can use plain WINE. But Crossover is nicer, has support, and funds WINE development, since CodeWeavers sends their patches upstream. https://www.codeweavers.com/crossover
Will desktop excel actually run smoothly on this? It's been ages since I've tried, but I didn't have much luck in the past.
I'd really love to ditch my windows machine, but my employer makes use of excel plugins that only run on the desktop version.
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#77Using Proton feels like magic. The fact that you can run games made for a totally different OS, which isn't even based on Unix or Linux is a big feat in itself. Valve is just a single company pushing for Linux gaming and the results have been excellent. Linux is the perfect candidate too. Efficient, open, easy to modify and adapt. I hope more companies follow Valve and realize the true untapped potential of Linux sys…
Why is it magic? Wine has been around since forever. It's not like Valve wrote most of the underlying code proton runs on. And what's with all the valve/steam hype from people that should know better? At the end of the day you are using a DRM front end (steam) that fragments the mod ecosystem and obfuscates the process of installing and running the software you paid for on your own computer.
Others have already covered Proton being actually usable without tweaking compared to Wine. But I want to dispute your other point.
Obfuscating usually means to make harder. Steam generally makes it easier to download and play games with features like automatic updates, remote play and cloud save sync, not harder.
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#78Valve's continual focus on Linux (SteamOS 1.0 was released eight years ago) is honestly incredible, Proton even sometimes works better than native Linux builds. Truly nobody else (in the gaming space) is doing it like Valve are. I saw a talk[1] from a KDE dev talking about features Valve sponsored to be added to KDE Plasma and it's things that are useful for everyone outside the context of the steam deck. The only th…
My own experience with Proton has been a bit more spotty, maybe because I tried it with some really old games that are not that well tested? Bioshock 1 crashed several times, then I got it to work with some hints from ProtonDB, Bioshock 2 worked "out of the box", Batman: Arkham City (which I bought years ago and never actually got around to playing) didn't work, and I wasn't motivated enough to fiddle with the settings long enough to get it to run. One way to improve Proton would be to provide a possibility to automatically import settings from ProtonDB (it's called "DB", but actually it's more of a forum). But if you look at ProtonDB, every user seems to have different problems and different solutions for these problems, so it's hard to see if some kind of consensus has emerged on how to best get a game to run.
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#79A reminder once again that Proton only exists because, for all the benefits of Linux, making a native Linux port is a massive mess. The community calling for developers to make native ports often forget that Linux's userland stability and consistency is simply not at the level developers expect or need for a quality port. Until the day arrives when you can install a game on, say, Fedora 37 that was initially develope…
I've yet to have a game not work because I was using the wrong distro.
I am talking about native Linux ports and people who complain about the lack of native ports instead of, at best, Proton ports.
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#80Earlier quoted context omitted.
If his customers don’t feel they are being treated well (e.g. they don’t understand, and won’t for years) then does it really fall under that principle?
Needless pedantism.
If I explained to you that Musk’s decision to buy Tesla was founded on his principle of “make the requirements less dumb” , would it be pedantry to inquire what I meant?