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Last.fm turns 20

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Re: Last.fm turns 20

#61

Still use last.fm. Most "You might like this" algorithms go straight for the low-hanging fruit, and often fail to take any kind of nuance into account. I can't tell you how many of the streaming services will see my Black Sabbath play history and immediately recommend, "If you like Black Sabbath, you should love...Slipknot!" But I've never had a real person make that mistake, because a real person who looks at my las…

I had always assumed that recommendation algorithms didn't work on genres, but instead did a lookup based on something like: "You like X" "Person Y also likes X" "Person Y also likes Z" "I should recommended Z to you" (proportional to the number of people there are who liked X and Z, compared to other options) If this is the case (and perhaps I'm wrong), it's nothing to do with the algorithm not understanding the sub…

That's the way music-map.com works, and it is absolutely fantastic.

But no, that is NOT the way these other services recommend things.

Spotify, for example, recommends music that it thinks is related, but not necessarily liked by both groups of people.

For example, a person who likes Black Sabbath, and really technical instrumental metal, probably doesn't like the comparatively simpler slipknot. While some people who like slipknot may like black sabbath, but even less will be aware of really technically advanced instrumental metal.

music-map.com will take that into account. When you say "my three favorite bands are", you're not going to see slipknot show up in the result list, because people who mentioned those technical bands tended not to like slipknot.

But if you go to spotify and listen to sabbath, you'll see slipknot recommendations, because there is overlap, right?

I just went over to music-map right now, and sure enough, black sabbath and slipknot don't overlap, even when you do searches of the bands individually, let alone if you enter multiple bands.

Re: Last.fm turns 20

#62

I hope Last.FM never goes away; I've been tracking my scrobbles since 2005

High five, my current account is also from 2005. I listen so much stuff and also forget as well, but the heart button is the life saver. Still scrobbling every day.

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#63
According to my profile I'm scrobbling since 7 Aug 2007. I'm even paying for the "Pro" version just to support the site (and for the feature that allowed me to change my emberassing old user name).

I don't check it very often any more but for some reason I still like to look at the graphs from time to time, even if I don't really hunt down recommendations based on that.

Re: Last.fm turns 20

#64

I hope Last.FM never goes away; I've been tracking my scrobbles since 2005

Same here. I love Last.fm for the scrobbling and history of what I listen to. I also scrobble to Libre.FM and a custom one but Last.FM is still my favorite. Currently at 94,000+ scrobbles since June 2007. You can scrobble from almost anything including the Last.FM client, WebScrobbler [1] and some streaming apps have it built in like Spotify. [1] https://web-scrobbler.com/

It's so good addon. Im so happy that I discovered it and through this DKFM radio.

Re: Last.fm turns 20

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post #63

According to my profile I'm scrobbling since 7 Aug 2007. I'm even paying for the "Pro" version just to support the site (and for the feature that allowed me to change my emberassing old user name). I don't check it very often any more but for some reason I still like to look at the graphs from time to time, even if I don't really hunt down recommendations based on that.

>> (and for the feature that allowed me to change my emberassing old user name)

Still brutally pissed that after more than 10 years with the same account, and even with Premium, Reddit wont let me change my old short name, which is related to my deadname as a trans person.

Of course; support requests have been completely ignored.

Re: Last.fm turns 20

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post #55

Still use last.fm. Most "You might like this" algorithms go straight for the low-hanging fruit, and often fail to take any kind of nuance into account. I can't tell you how many of the streaming services will see my Black Sabbath play history and immediately recommend, "If you like Black Sabbath, you should love...Slipknot!" But I've never had a real person make that mistake, because a real person who looks at my las…

> Human review and recommendation still beats algorithmic recommendation by a mile if you have discerning tastes I completely agree. But last.fm doesn't do human review either, right? OTOH, I think the "radio" feature on spotify is wildly underrated. I used to spend hours compiling playlists for different moments/social settings/moods (still do, because it's fun), but picking any song/album/artist and then getting an…

> But last.fm doesn't do human review either, right?

No, but to be fair, that's not my use-case. My use-case is going to forums of like-minded individuals and saying "Hey, I need more music like _____. Take a look at my last.fm profile and suggest something I'd like."

I use it the same way book lovers use their Goodreads profile, I suppose?

Re: Last.fm turns 20

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post #45

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Me too! 480,000 scrobbles and still going. I recently downloaded all of my scrobbles so that at least I'd have the listening data in case the service ever goes down.

I did the same recently after seeing it was possible. 150,000 scrobbles for me, which I thought was a lot until I saw your count! https://www.last.fm/user/carldr

Aw shucks,low compatibility.

https://www.last.fm/user/unspotted

Re: Last.fm turns 20

#68
post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I had always assumed that recommendation algorithms didn't work on genres, but instead did a lookup based on something like: "You like X" "Person Y also likes X" "Person Y also likes Z" "I should recommended Z to you" (proportional to the number of people there are who liked X and Z, compared to other options) If this is the case (and perhaps I'm wrong), it's nothing to do with the algorithm not understanding the sub…

That's the way music-map.com works, and it is absolutely fantastic. But no, that is NOT the way these other services recommend things. Spotify, for example, recommends music that it thinks is related, but not necessarily liked by both groups of people. For example, a person who likes Black Sabbath, and really technical instrumental metal, probably doesn't like the comparatively simpler slipknot. While some people who…

So I put in Silver Jews, and expected to get probably the #1 result "Purple Mountains" which is also David Berman, and then pavement and some Malkmus as recommends. So I don't know how well that works.

Coheed and Cambria seemed fairly good. I was expecting Thursday as a top result and got it.

I put in "Mom Jeans" and a totally very different sounding band but on the same label who tour together and got "Just Friends". That's an unexpectedly nice connection.

Re: Last.fm turns 20

#69
Scrobbling is fun, just one of those 'personal data' things to look at from time to time. Last.fm was always corporate/sketchy tho and never got into it/didn't want an account on it.

GNU Libre.fm worked fine for years tho! Nice to have an archive of data just sitting on there. (Lack of hands to work on it to get other features like dumps and more analysis never panned out tho).

But since the pandemic my listening habits on mobile where most of the scrobbling was being done from have changed completely and there's limited support on windows / no long available in things like WinAmp etc, so it's just not a thing anymore. Kinda sad.

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