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Writing by hand is still the best way to retain information

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Re: Writing by hand is still the best way to retain information

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One thing I can agree with OP, Weinberg and what’s-his-name’s Hallmarks of Cancer series of papers are emblematic of everything that’s wrong with biology research and why we haven’t made much actionable progress in recent decades in biology: these reviews invented out of thin air dogmatic rules about cancer as if what they know about it is what’s important (in their first review, the immune system is not even mentioned) and the entire field embraces it as the Bible or something. Then when they update it, they pat themselves in the back acting as if it’s all progress now that they have a better model! By the time the second review came out it became damn clear that the role of the immune system in cancer is probably one of the most important aspects we should focus on, but they didn’t want to look like idiots so they still underplayed it’s importance.

Re: Writing by hand is still the best way to retain information

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I 100% agree with this. If I want to fully commit to learning something, physically writing it down with my hand makes it stick better, for reasons that I don't really understand.

I actually started to think about it as a kind of cheat code. Like, how, in a video game you can type in a cheat code and you get special powers. That's how big of a difference it made for me.

My strategy looks like this:

* If there's a good book, buy the book. Like when I wanted to learn C, I picked up K&R's C. A physical copy isn't required and can even get in the way, but can be useful if the Kindle version looks bad. If there isn't a good book, open up the official documentation on a web browser. Third-party tutorials tend to suck, IMO; official documentation is much better.

* Sit down at a desk with my laptop, book, and my notebook. Start at the beginning of the book/documentation. Read every line. If there's a word that doesn't make sense, look up the word. Talk to myself, out loud: Summarize and re-phrase what I'm reading.

* Write down a summary of the large important details of what I'm reading, in snippets of prose, on paper with a pen. It's important to not use the same words that the author(s) used. And of course, be much pithier than the author. As Kevin from the office taught us, why use lot word when small word do trick?

* The act of summarizing and re-phrasing, first verbally and then manually, seems to really do the trick in terms of making my brain remember things.

* If there's anything that can be tested with code, test it. If you're learning C or Lua or whatever, you obviously want to set up a little environment and test everything you're reading. This is harder for something like system design, though.

* Repeat every day until the book or documentation is consumed, or I feel I've had enough to accomplish whatever goals I had. Repetition every day seems to be important.

* Talk to other people about what I'm learning. One time I even reached out to the author of the book: I thought I found a mistake in his book; I was wrong! But talking with co-workers, or even salespeople if learning something like Snowflake can be helpful, or my partner. Anyone who will listen.

I will admit to not using the notebook strategy in recent years. I'll use a Google doc or sheet instead. But I think the notebook strategy is better! Especially when I was starting out, and the concepts of programming were new and strange.

Re: Writing by hand is still the best way to retain information

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post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably. It's not just the tactile impact of pen on paper, there is likely to also be a memory effect triggered by paging through a notebook to get to the latest blank page. E-ink tablets, like a word processor, always starts with a blank page.

I've always suspected the metal editing down to important points is a major factor. If I'm taking typed notes I can regurgitate almost exactly what was said at 100 wpm and feel like I'm taking "good" notes because I've included everything. If I'm taking written notes I have to think about the material as I write it and distill it down to something I can write quickly enough. Didn't have good tablet devices until afte…

In high school we had a professor of history that allowed us to come with notes to the exams as long as notes were hand-written.

He also liked to put questions about minute details, sometimes even the footnotes.

End result: I still did not remember the stuff, but I got good at making summarizing notes quickly...

Re: Writing by hand is still the best way to retain information

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There seems to be zero proof to that. Too long ago that I can up with actual citations I read about studies that said a better way to "retain" information, in the context of college reading material, is recitation. With recitation they meant verbally explaining the content from memory. One of the problems with most such studies is that they don't compare techniques with each other.

There are some good studies on this topic such as this one from UCLA. https://linguistics.ucla.edu/people/hayes/Teaching/papers/Mu...

Abstract:

Taking notes on laptops rather than in longhand is increasingly common. Many researchers have suggested that laptop note taking is less effective than longhand note taking for learning. Prior studies have primarily focused on students’ capacity for multitasking and distraction when using laptops. The present research suggests that even when laptops are used solely to take notes, they may still be impairing learning because their use results in shallower processing. In three studies, we found that students who took notes on laptops performed worse on conceptual questions than students who took notes longhand. We show that whereas taking more notes can be beneficial, laptop note takers’ tendency to transcribe lectures verbatim rather than processing information and reframing it in their own words is detrimental to learning

Re: Writing by hand is still the best way to retain information

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My experience is that mind mapping on an iPad is the best way to retain information, because there is a spatial component that doesn’t exist in any other documentation format (and it is searchable; you can also use handwriting in the mind map).

My brain takes advantage of the spatial component for sure.

Re: Writing by hand is still the best way to retain information

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post #24

There seems to be zero proof to that. Too long ago that I can up with actual citations I read about studies that said a better way to "retain" information, in the context of college reading material, is recitation. With recitation they meant verbally explaining the content from memory. One of the problems with most such studies is that they don't compare techniques with each other.

There are some good studies on this topic such as this one from UCLA. https://linguistics.ucla.edu/people/hayes/Teaching/papers/Mu... Abstract: Taking notes on laptops rather than in longhand is increasingly common. Many researchers have suggested that laptop note taking is less effective than longhand note taking for learning. Prior studies have primarily focused on students’ capacity for multitasking and distractio…

Seems like intentionally processing and reframing, regardless of the medium used to write, would be the way to go.

Re: Writing by hand is still the best way to retain information

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I 100% agree with this. If I want to fully commit to learning something, physically writing it down with my hand makes it stick better, for reasons that I don't really understand. I actually started to think about it as a kind of cheat code. Like, how, in a video game you can type in a cheat code and you get special powers. That's how big of a difference it made for me. My strategy looks like this: * If there's a goo…

> for reasons that I don't really understand.

I believe it's just the amount of time it takes to physically write a sentence with pen and paper, compared to spoken word or even typing which can be pretty fast in comparison. Your brain is mulling the words over several times over as you write it. That leaves more of an imprint as you are literally thinking about it more as your hand slowly writes each word out. I can type pretty fast, but I don't remember what I type nearly as well as what I physically write out. I just think it's the speed difference and how much time you toil with the specific thought.

Re: Writing by hand is still the best way to retain information

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post #4

I can attest to this and took all of my notes on paper in college. However, once I started a real job I realized that this strategy doesn't scale to all situations. In college, I needed to be able to recall all of the information I had ingested: it was low-write, high-read. In the workplace, there's much more information, but I'm unlikely to need most of it: it's high-write, low-read. I need to be able to reference t…

What are you using the host your wiki and write markdown? I'm looking at self-hosting a similar system.

Re: Writing by hand is still the best way to retain information

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I'm gonna take a guess here - writing by hand is slow enough that your brain has to summarize what is being verbally spoken in order to capture it all. In order to summarize accurately, you need to have some understanding of what is being said, being able to pick out the key points.

I write down all my notes - in fact, got a reMarkable to replace all my paper notebooks - but seems to be the best way for me to retain information. Even though I tend not to reference my notes later.

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