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Re: AP fired reporter after dangerous blunder – Slack chats reveal chaotic process

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Post by unsupp0rted »

phyzome wrote: post #30

What's with the assertion that countries would go to war over a hasty AP report? Pretty sure military action would be taken based on the same primary sources that the AP was relying on, not just taking the AP's word for it...

(Democratic) countries go to war depending largely on public support.

If they think the population is going to quickly turn on them then they hesitate to commit themselves.

As soon as this report was published I saw Reddit froth at the mouth to invoke Article 5 and call up Schwarzenegger and Rambo to teach the evil commie-nazis that this time they’ve crossed the line.

I wouldn’t be surprised if 50% of them will never even hear this story was retracted and someone got fired over it.

Reddit isn’t real life, but yes; there’s a large group of people who grew up experiencing war as an enjoyable clip show on CNN or as “Soldier returns home to puppy after 2 years in Iraq” on YouTube, who wouldn’t mind at all getting into yet another “war”.

Re: AP fired reporter after dangerous blunder – Slack chats reveal chaotic process

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Post by aliswe »

oefrha wrote: post #140
mc32 wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who say things like “American missiles fired by Ukraine?” It would only make sense to say that if US troops on the ground hosted by Ukraine fired the missiles. It’s stupid. No one says Chinese AK-47s fired by Ukrainian soldiers. Someone was playing stupid.

If you pay attention, you’ll realize media often use ambiguous titles that are technically correct, in a sense, but which most of their audience will interpret in a different and wrong way that fits their agenda. It’s really common when it comes to reporting on geopolitical rivals. Usually not this blatant, though. Btw, there are a lot of reporting on how Russia uses Chinese drones, often without mentioning Ukraine u…

Exactly! "new reports reveal rifts in organization XYZ" or "findings reveal increasingly erratic actions by CEO" or "(something) sends (company) into tailspin"

Re: AP fired reporter after dangerous blunder – Slack chats reveal chaotic process

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Post by cassianoleal »

mc32 wrote: post #74
remarkEon wrote: post #13

>I can’t imagine a US intelligence official would be wrong on this Has this AP reporter been asleep for … their entire career? Charitably, I can interpret this as the reporter thinking they wouldn’t make up something about a potential Article 5 event, but - and maybe it’s my cynicism about this war - wouldn’t that mean you’d want to guarantee that what you’re saying is super precise? “Russian missiles hit Poland” vs…

Who say things like “American missiles fired by Ukraine?” It would only make sense to say that if US troops on the ground hosted by Ukraine fired the missiles. It’s stupid. No one says Chinese AK-47s fired by Ukrainian soldiers. Someone was playing stupid.

Likely what happened is that all the source knew what that missiles had hit Poland, and they were (made in) Russia. From that point, things will have been lost in translation, ignored (not necessarily maliciously) in the rush or augmented due to unconscious biases.

It's certainly an editorial problem if this kind of information is not being double and triple-checked for confirmation and precision.

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Post by egberts1 »

unraveller wrote: post #136
nomdep wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What credibility? They lost it years ago

reputation grows back if you never admit fault

Reputation takes a lot longer to get back, when the failure to admit your own fault finds you 100% at fault.

Re: AP fired reporter after dangerous blunder – Slack chats reveal chaotic process

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Post by europeanguy »

mardifoufs wrote: post #11

Qoah so they really threw him under the bus. Crazy that the editorial staff didn't even pause when article 5 was brought up. It seems like something you might want to really be sure about, and ask more questions on who did it (not just making sure that missiles actually landed somewhere). Extremely careless

> Crazy that the editorial staff didn't even pause when article 5 was brought up.

What I think would be crazy was if this news was real and some nobody journalists were sitting on this info based on those kind of considerations. I mean, these aren't the people I want making such decisions. Let them pass on the information they have as accurately as possible, and let an elected representative act on it.

Re: AP fired reporter after dangerous blunder – Slack chats reveal chaotic process

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Post by shapefrog »

Dieselroar88 wrote: post #23

It seems like the actual story here is entirely ignored: Why are a bunch of journalists concerned with how fast they can send out a push notification?? is the world that creates that incentive healthy? What can we do to remove the incentive that led to people having this kind of a discussion on a slack channel while one dude is at a doctors appointment? This seems like an utter failure of the editorial process in thi…

BREAKING NEWS. Thats how news works.

Re: AP fired reporter after dangerous blunder – Slack chats reveal chaotic process

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Post by shapefrog »

unsupp0rted wrote: post #161
phyzome wrote: post #30

What's with the assertion that countries would go to war over a hasty AP report? Pretty sure military action would be taken based on the same primary sources that the AP was relying on, not just taking the AP's word for it...

(Democratic) countries go to war depending largely on public support. If they think the population is going to quickly turn on them then they hesitate to commit themselves. As soon as this report was published I saw Reddit froth at the mouth to invoke Article 5 and call up Schwarzenegger and Rambo to teach the evil commie-nazis that this time they’ve crossed the line. I wouldn’t be surprised if 50% of them will never…

(Democratic) countries go to war entirely against public support

Re: AP fired reporter after dangerous blunder – Slack chats reveal chaotic process

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Post by dodgerdan »

ramesh31 wrote: post #46

We've had AWACS in the air watching the Ukrainian border round the clock since Feb. 24. That means anything bigger than a seagull has been tracked with pinpoint precision from launch to terminus. Particularly so for anything that could have been fired from Russian positions. Anyone with a brain would have known to wait for the official US government statement before making a call on this. Total negligence.

There’s still not been an “official call” on this either by Poland or the US. And Ukraine still insists they weren’t their missiles and insisting they have access to the investigation. It’s very peculiar.

My personal view. They were Russian missiles, but it was 100% an error. NATO doesn’t want to have to respond so they blame Ukraine, Ukraine will use this to negotiate more weapons and air defenses.

Re: AP fired reporter after dangerous blunder – Slack chats reveal chaotic process

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Post by egberts1 »

Let me get this right.

A Soviet-made (pre-USSR) S-300 was fired from within Ukraine to outside of her border.

S-300 was (presumably from Internet-source) manufactured within Ukraine (during Soviet days).

So we should really be looking into:

- how was it hooked up the S-300 fire and control to the Internet, securely or unsecurely.

- who wrote the S-300 software

- who fired the weapon ... arguably remotely.

Of course, I assume that fire and control has "Internet" option for maximum military flexibility.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-300_missile_system

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_missile_explosion_in_Po...

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