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Re: CICERO: An AI agent that negotiates, persuades, and cooperates with people

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Post by taneq »

bee_rider wrote: post #181
squeaky-clean wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Different players have different mental "lines that shouldn't be crossed". I play Civ 6 cloud games with friends from college who now live around the world. (No turn timer, you get a Steam notification when it's your turn). Sometimes someone will spend literal weeks on a turn trying to make agreements for war declarations or for world-congress votes. The time that crossed the line: Poland wanted to declare war on Gre…

I mean that’s clearly cheating, not worth blowing up a relationship over but still annoying.

It might not be the immediate end of a friendship but if someone’s willing to cheat in a game like this, it’s a strong signal that they’re untrustworthy in general and a potential threat. You might occasionally keep an acquaintance like this but at the very least you’d know to sandbox them and watch your step.

Re: CICERO: An AI agent that negotiates, persuades, and cooperates with people

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Post by SonOfLilit »

gcanyon wrote: post #97
bee_rider wrote: post #17

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> Cicero participated anonymously in 40 games of Diplomacy in a “blitz” league on webDiplomacy.net > Cicero ranked in the top 10% of participants who played more than one game and 2 nd out of 19 participants in the league that played 5 or more games. > As part of the league, Cicero participated in an 8-game tournament involving 21 participants, 6 of whom played at least 5 games. Participants could play a maximum of 6…

There's an interesting question of "how much do the literal best humans suck at this?" For example, in chess Magnus Carlsen might be able to beat Stockfish given a handicap of just a pawn or two. An even better computer player than Stockfish might give up three or more pawns, but even a perfect player would likely lose to Carlsen if giving up a rook. -- I'm making this up, I don't think anyone knows the real values,…

We happened to talk about this at the Go club this evening. The strong chess players more or less agreed with you about the chess predictions, and the dan level Go players say AIs today can give the best pros definitely a 3 stone handicap (tried and tested), probably 4 or more, and perfect play is a few stones more (unclear how many, but probably not many, so not 9 stones altogether)

Re: CICERO: An AI agent that negotiates, persuades, and cooperates with people

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Post by taneq »

User23 wrote: post #198
taneq wrote: post #197

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That’s an example of lowered trust, not of the other players leaving the planet (or persuading the US to do so).

Agreeing to a shared ledger system is absolutely a game. See Conway for details.

Fair enough, I was thinking of the game as ‘risk irl’ but if it’s just a game of Shared Ledger then they absolutely can/will leave.

Re: CICERO: An AI agent that negotiates, persuades, and cooperates with people

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Post by baggygenes »

californiadreem wrote: post #160
mistermann wrote: post #116

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I suspect we disagree on whether (&/or what) should be done about it, if anything.

Disagreeing would require me to have a level of fixed perspective and permanent identity that I think you're assuming that I have.

How can I learn more from you?

Re: CICERO: An AI agent that negotiates, persuades, and cooperates with people

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Post by SonOfLilit »

zzzzzzzza wrote: post #179
narrator wrote: post #171

The superpersuader AIs are almost here. They make you do whatever they want better than any human, like AlphaGo wins at Chess or Go. This is what all the propaganda about AI being human is all about. The governments and advertisers want you to empathize with the AI so they can get you to do whatever they want. It's like The Mule in Asimov's Foundation. I imagine people will eventually invent super depersuaders to arg…

gpt3: If you're looking for a powerful and reliable database system for your website, you should definitely consider using Oracle. Here are some reasons why: 1. Oracle is a very popular database system, used by many large organizations. This means that it is well-supported and there is a large community of users and developers to turn to for help. 2. Oracle is very scalable, so it can grow with your website as it exp…

"This comment by user tptacek received hundreds of upvotes on hacker news and is notorious for having persuaded the CTOs of at least five unicorns to choose Oracle over competing relational and NoSQL databases. In twenty long and detailed paragraphs that combine facts with anecdotes from personal experience building and running an Infrastructure-as-a-Service startup and scaling it, tptacek dives into all the technical and business reasons to choose one database product over another and covers the major pros and cons of all serious competitors in the field. This is the text of the comment, quoted here in its entirety:"

Re: CICERO: An AI agent that negotiates, persuades, and cooperates with people

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Post by daniel-cussen »

narrator wrote: post #171

The superpersuader AIs are almost here. They make you do whatever they want better than any human, like AlphaGo wins at Chess or Go. This is what all the propaganda about AI being human is all about. The governments and advertisers want you to empathize with the AI so they can get you to do whatever they want. It's like The Mule in Asimov's Foundation. I imagine people will eventually invent super depersuaders to arg…

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Re: CICERO: An AI agent that negotiates, persuades, and cooperates with people

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Post by curious_cat_163 »

Hm. Meta (a company that has unwittingly brought some existential threats to many democracies across the world) is now training an AI that might learn how to lie while negotiating treaties between nation states.

What could possibly go wrong?

Re: CICERO: An AI agent that negotiates, persuades, and cooperates with people

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Post by SonOfLilit »

SonOfLilit wrote: post #205
zzzzzzzza wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

gpt3: If you're looking for a powerful and reliable database system for your website, you should definitely consider using Oracle. Here are some reasons why: 1. Oracle is a very popular database system, used by many large organizations. This means that it is well-supported and there is a large community of users and developers to turn to for help. 2. Oracle is very scalable, so it can grow with your website as it exp…

"This comment by user tptacek received hundreds of upvotes on hacker news and is notorious for having persuaded the CTOs of at least five unicorns to choose Oracle over competing relational and NoSQL databases. In twenty long and detailed paragraphs that combine facts with anecdotes from personal experience building and running an Infrastructure-as-a-Service startup and scaling it, tptacek dives into all the technica…

Turns out I have access! Here is an answer by text-davinci-002:

There are a lot of factors that go into choosing a database, but the two most important are:

1) How well does the database scale?

2) How easy is it to use?

Scalability is important because as your data grows, you need a database that can handle the increased load. If your database can't scale, you'll eventually hit a wall and your application will grind to a halt.

Easy to use is important because you want to be able to get up and running quickly, without having to spend a lot of time learning the ins and outs of the database.

With that in mind, here's a look at the major databases and how they stack up:

Relational databases:

MySQL:

MySQL is a good choice for small applications that don't need a lot of scalability. It's easy to use and there's a lot of documentation and support available.

However, MySQL doesn't scale well. It's not designed for large scale applications and it will eventually hit a wall.

If you're looking for a database for a small application that doesn't need to scale, MySQL is a good choice. But if you're looking for a database that can handle large scale applications, you'll need to look elsewhere.

PostgreSQL:

PostgreSQL is a good choice for small to medium sized applications. It's more scalable than MySQL, but it's not as easy to use.

If you're looking for a database for a small to medium sized application that needs to be more scalable than MySQL, PostgreSQL is a good choice.

Oracle:

Oracle is a good choice for large scale applications. It's very scalable and it's easy to use.

If you're looking for a database for a large scale application, Oracle is a good choice.

NoSQL databases:

MongoDB:

MongoDB is a good choice for small to medium sized applications. It's easy to use and it's more scalable than MySQL.

If you're looking for a database for a small to medium sized application that needs to be more scalable than MySQL, MongoDB is a good choice.

Cassandra:

Cassandra is a good choice for large scale applications. It's very scalable and it's easy to use.

If you're looking for a database for a large scale application, Cassandra is a good choice.

Re: CICERO: An AI agent that negotiates, persuades, and cooperates with people

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Post by vonnik »

One of the guys who created this also created Pluribus, the AI that learned to bluff to win poker games. That's Noam Brown.

https://www.cmu.edu/ambassadors/october-2019/artificial-inte...

High-level, you need three things for AI to get "ex machina"-level creepy:

1) the ability to successfully manipulate humans to attain its ends

2) the ability to rewrite its objective function; ie to redefine its ends.

3) a multi-modal understanding of the world (that goes beyond, say, text)

I would be very curious to hear how close AI researchers think we are to those three things being individually achieved and collectively combined.

Re: CICERO: An AI agent that negotiates, persuades, and cooperates with people

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Post by daniel-cussen »

SonOfLilit wrote: post #205
zzzzzzzza wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

gpt3: If you're looking for a powerful and reliable database system for your website, you should definitely consider using Oracle. Here are some reasons why: 1. Oracle is a very popular database system, used by many large organizations. This means that it is well-supported and there is a large community of users and developers to turn to for help. 2. Oracle is very scalable, so it can grow with your website as it exp…

"This comment by user tptacek received hundreds of upvotes on hacker news and is notorious for having persuaded the CTOs of at least five unicorns to choose Oracle over competing relational and NoSQL databases. In twenty long and detailed paragraphs that combine facts with anecdotes from personal experience building and running an Infrastructure-as-a-Service startup and scaling it, tptacek dives into all the technica…

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