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Re: Ask HN: Experienced software engineer – but unable to consistently work

#11
Some ideas that work for me: - become a freelance, only accept short time jobs so you can deliver, get paid, and enjoy the free time when you can focus - ideate, advocate, and work on short interesting projects that can give you dopamine when your regular job becomes too boring to do. Example? I was feeling like this and I proposed I'd create an internal tool to read sms messages from Twilio to be used internally when we do manual QA of our app - try to change the physical location where you work at. Sometimes I go working at food halls in malls or at coffee shops, the change of environment resets something in my brain and I can focus again - find some sports that helps you. For me it's running, I tried other sports but it looks like what works for me is the prolonged effort and energy drain of running, which you don't get when doing weight lifting for example

Re: Ask HN: Experienced software engineer – but unable to consistently work

#12
You could certainly look into temp or contract work for very short duration one-off projects, etc. That kind of work is out there, but setting up a pipeline to get it reliably is probably hard.

> Programming is the only thing I can do - and the only thing that makes me enough money to survive.

I think you may want to re-evaluate this. Some people with ADHD do better in environments where they are on their feet, actively doing work, rather than sitting at a computer screen. It sounds like you need a job that you can still do even when you are not at your mental/emotional best, and where minimum focus is mandatory but not hard to achieve. Programming may just not be that job, or not all the time.

There are now lots of "gig economy" jobs that you can do whenever you want to do them. They're not always the highest-paying, but in exchange for that you get a ton of flexibility. Maybe you could parley some of those into a hybrid approach - work in food-service or as an Uber driver or something else that is lower-paying during your downturns, and do short-term contract work during your upswings.

Plus, if you feel like a failure - and it kinda reads like you do now - having some small successes in another field could help you turn that feeling around.

Re: Ask HN: Experienced software engineer – but unable to consistently work

#13
Have you tried work that comes to you? Like clearing a queue of tickets in technical support or even accepting calls?

You basically have to show up to work and you are micromanaged by the queuing software. Sounds horrible, but it leads to consistent performance and when your shift is over your mind is clear from work. You are not stressed about procrastination - you just have to respond to stimuli.

You don't have to be very social, the communication is basically a ritual/protocol. If you can clear the first hurdle it might turn out that the formed habits will help you for life.

There are more technical support jobs out there, you just need to make sure they are not organized around projects or a particular big client, but a queue. You are in Eastern Europe so there might be some opportunities around you.

You can give it a try and see how it feels for you.

Re: Ask HN: Experienced software engineer – but unable to consistently work

#15
Some random advice from the internet, try to find out what works for you. As much as you're aware of your problem and looking for a solution, all should be good.

It might be a good idea to start writing a list of things which can help you overcome focusing issue, and things which exacerbate.

Random list of what to try - listening to music, specific playlist - working from co-working/cafe, separating workspace - amount of meetings - stress factors, how it affects the focus level - overall distractions (news, social feeds) - reading habits

and so on. In theory, it should be possible to find & maintain routine which works for you and things which can put you back on track once you notice your focus is drifting away.

There also could be unreasonable expectations from yourself, not enough rest and bunch of other things.

Good luck

Re: Ask HN: Experienced software engineer – but unable to consistently work

#16
check out this paper I found here recently https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16846100/

for self 'therapy' I highly highly recommend the book Focusing by Eugene Gendlin, it is the unlock key for all other self-help. Jump to ch3 and read a dialogue example, it's figuring out the inside forces, underneath the words and 'theories'.

You can do it by yourself (I use a stuffed animal) and there's a pdf on library genesis.

(Honestly better than pay-a-person therapy for me, where i just wasted time trying to out-smart my therapist with insightful theories, intellectualization is a defense mechanism, as is self-pity i realized of late)

A huge amount of 'distraction' is just emotional flinching in my experience.

the order i would do things

--Get the magnesium and the all the b vitamins (get the methyl b12 and methyl folate b9 if u can, they are the superior forms and cheaper than genetic testing),

--get on animal meat and fat keto or the carnivore diet, with fasting when the food is too boring. The high animal fat/ meat version is a must try for anyone with any hint of mental issues. Plus just eating one thing (meat) is easy, no planning, no distractions. If vegans don't like that, feel free to stay sick i say, it's your life...

--read the Gendlin book and do the process every week, instead of 'meditating on your breath' and other stuff that takes ten years to get anywhere. Focusing will bring up lots of dark emotions, good thing no one can see you sobbing so it does not matter

--Quit all caffeine, all my anxiety disappeared after a month.

These are all the interventions that legit helped me, take it or leave it

good luck

Re: Ask HN: Experienced software engineer – but unable to consistently work

#19

Many unmedicated people with ADHD have this problem and have figured out their own process for working through the funk period. On a personal level, exercise and coffee have been magical for me. When I'm not feeling it, the task is getting to the coffee pot, but once I'm there the motivation comes on its own. Walking 40-60 minutes outside does wonders as well.

Unfortunately coffee even in small doses makes me paranoid and anxious so much I become absolute clusterfuck (literally start believing aliens are coming). Same with marihuana. This is part of the reason why I can't get medication - Ritalin does this to me too.

Have you tried non-stimulant ADHD medications?

Wellbutrin works well for people who have blood pressure issues for example (it can affect blood pressure, but it's much less common than with stimulants)

Re: Ask HN: Experienced software engineer – but unable to consistently work

#20
My reply to the user andrewmcarter who deleted their comment:

I thought I am an extremely lazy person who hates to work for 25 years. That it's ADHD was suggested to me a year ago and it was confirmed on EEG scans, by psychological evaluation and by taking medication that actually worked - however it also made me paranoid (extremely, pushing me out of normal reality) and I have other (physical) medical condition that made it unsustainable.

Yes, my code is in production and people (users as well as other devs) love it. Future maintainers always praise it for its readability and simple extensibility. I co-founded a startup (niche CRM/ERP kind of app) and got it working within a month and we got customers actually using the app and investors thanks to that. However the investors pushed me out when they found out I am not working for extended periods of time. I got some small amount of money but was forced to leave my stake.

Indeed, I am not comfortable with failing anymore. Now it's so bad I just can't have interviews anymore, I start shaking and can't think at all - a decade ago I used to have very high self esteem and didn't have this kind of problems, it's indeed a developed condition.

I'm not paying for my medical services. I pay mandatory health insurance which is priced by the state based on a minimum and/or a percentage of my income.

Academia/school is torture because the fuckers were screaming at me all the time for not completing homework, because I always shut down when I had to do something on the blackboard in front of the classroom, etc. I guess university might be different but I'd have to complete the 3 remaining years of high school to get there. Anyways from what my Gf experienced at the university it's terrible there too so I'm not really motivated to go this way, doesn't seem like a solution.

It's not like I am playing video games instead of doing the stuff I need to do. I really truly want to do it. I am sitting in front of it, I don't browse internet or whatever. I have the work in front of me, but my brain is shut down, unable to have a single thought. I am sitting like this for hours, wishing with all of my willpower to just do the thing, but can't have an intelligent thought.

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