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Web3 – An Arrogant and Treacherous Successor Doomed to Fail

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Re: Web3 – An Arrogant and Treacherous Successor Doomed to Fail

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Post by short_sells_poo »

yieldcrv wrote: post #12

there is a subset of web3 that is a pretty unique evolution of web 2.0 which is great for developers and product marketing specifically it comes to the stack web 3 application: free static frontend website, 3 variables in a smart contract deployed for 50 cents, a funnel consisting of a single call to action which is a payment, where the profit is immediately fungible and not blocked anywhere this is applying web 2.0…

You raise some good points but I deeply disagree about payments being immediately released. So if I make a mistake in my purchase and want a refund but the seller is nonresponsive I'm just out of luck?

There's a reason why payment processing is complex and IMO to a large degree it is because it's more than just moving some numbers in a database.

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Post by edgyquant »

ugjka wrote: post #3

I seriously do not see and never saw how "Web 3.0" is a follow up from web 1 and 2. The whole thing was a hijack by ponzi schemers or just another way to get someone to get their life savings into some crypto nonsense.

Web3 as decentralized services is the logical next step. Ethereum stealing the name and doing everything they can to be associated with it is a load of bs taking away the glamor from real decentralized services that I assure you are coming

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Post by pornel »

TekMol wrote: post #19

Web3 is already making inroads piece by piece into the web. It started with ssh. Once keys were exchanged, you did not have to trust the infrastructure providers anymore. You knew whom you are talking to and that the communication is not tampered with. Similar with https. A recent development is that ActivityPub profiles have private keys and publish their public keys. So if you run your own Fediverse node, you alrea…

That is a dishonest retcon giving the new buzzword credit for other people's existing work.

You can't just say "MyFoo stands for good things, look there's a good thing over there, therefore MyFoo is working".

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Post by vkou »

k__ wrote: post #17
roody15 wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly… NFT’s blah blah .. blockchain everything .. came off as like a sales pitch and never seemed to resonant as where the web was headed

Web2: you stop paying a cloud provider, your data is gone. Web3: you stop paying a network, your data stays online. Either because it's permanent by default (blockchain, blockweave) or because people deem it interesting and pin it (IPFS) Seems like a fundamental improvement to me.

Web2 - stores exabytes of data.

Web3 - stores a few text files and rotten hyperlinks to jpgs of (if you're lucky) poorly-drawn apes and (if you're unlucky) rugs, while setting billions of dollars on fire.

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Post by matchagaucho »

bastawhiz wrote: post #15

It's worth noting that the title here confuses "web3" with "web 3.0". It means "web3". Web3 is the crypto nonsense that the article talks about, which has almost nothing to do with the web. Web 3.0 is Tim Berners Lee's vision for a decentralized web: https://www.cnbc.com/2022/11/04/web-inventor-tim-berners-lee... I think it's an important distinction to make. Web 3.0 is noble in its vision and intentions, while web3…

The "web3" branding damage is done.

The Web 3.0 consortium will need to revive "Semantic Web", or some derivative, to distance themselves from crypto.

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Post by infotogivenm »

g147 wrote: post #30
infotogivenm wrote: post #23

Almost stopped reading after web 1.0 was explained as “readonly”. Eventually got to this: > People who think a single-sign on is somehow a good thing. I would love to see this expanded on… I stopped reading after that.

I wanted to keep it all as short as I could. Maybe adding more hyperlinks will help. https://sis.binus.ac.id/2022/07/21/the-differences-between-w... https://www.renovodata.com/blog/2019/01/17/single-sign-on

This is better. I always equated web 1.0 with “before web 2.0”, I did not know of Berner-lee’s description. There were lots of dynamic server apps between 1.0 and 2.0.

For SSO, the link does a good job presenting various pros and cons. I don’t think it backs up the articles dismissal.

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Post by plopz »

superkuh wrote: post #9
plopz wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

i just want to be able to use udp without the headache of webrtc

Webrtc websockets implementations (and spec!) are corrupted too. They require TLS even for localhost. But at least you can still use self-signed certs so it's not as bad as HTTP/3. It's kind of crazy to think that smartphones' inability to hold open a TCP connection (and thus the desire for UDP) are managing to ruin the entire (non-commercial) web.

my desire for udp is for out-of-order delivery for low latency game networking, nothing to do with smartphones

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Post by douglaswlance »

>The real single reason for which I believe that all this will come tumbling down is cause of the fact that all this is falsely hyped as being something better than its predecessors but in reality it is not.

How so? If you're saying that this is the one single reason, then you have to support it with evidence.

Re: Web3 – An Arrogant and Treacherous Successor Doomed to Fail

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Post by k__ »

vkou wrote: post #34
k__ wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Web2: you stop paying a cloud provider, your data is gone. Web3: you stop paying a network, your data stays online. Either because it's permanent by default (blockchain, blockweave) or because people deem it interesting and pin it (IPFS) Seems like a fundamental improvement to me.

Web2 - stores exabytes of data. Web3 - stores a few text files and rotten hyperlinks to jpgs of (if you're lucky) poorly-drawn apes and (if you're unlucky) rugs, while setting billions of dollars on fire.

I think, you should look into Filecoin and Arweave.

Your assumptions seem to be based on the (rather specific) use-case of art NFTs. They got quite some hype, but to be honest, I didn't get them either.

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