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How safe is ayahuasca? Large-scale study explores

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Re: How safe is ayahuasca? Large-scale study explores

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Post by bambataa »

boppo1 wrote: post #200
Flatcore999 wrote: post #170

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DNA was not discovered on LSD: https://psychedelicpress.co.uk/blogs/psychedelic-press-blog/...

Yep. I'm not going to bother replying or arguing with the posters that are touting psychedelics as causing breakthroughs in science and art. It's a common claim and it's exhausting. When I was a teenager, I heard the claim and believed it. All these musicians and artists I looked up to did psychedelics! So I took psychedelics! What I came to find, however, was that all of those artists had some sort of classical trai…

That seems like a really odd conclusion to draw. I’m not aware of anyone arguing that psychedelics turned non-artists into great artists. Of course the competence comes first.

The Beatles were highly skilled musicians before taking drugs, but it seems reasonable that attempting to recreate the psychedelic experience on tape pushed them towards new sounds and techniques that they wouldn’t have otherwise tried.

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Post by vhiremath4 »

koonsolo wrote: post #180
sph wrote: post #128

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"I don't know much about something, here's my opinion." The fact that you don't distinguish between categories of drugs is, no offence, a major indicator of ignorance in the subject matter. Hallucinogens are not stimulants are not depressants are not dissociatives are not alcohol. If you mean "illegal drugs", do you really think that the objective, scientific threshold between harmful and harmless is legality? You ar…

Whatever you recommend to take, I'm sure one of the people I know took it. Did it improve their already normal life? I highly doubt it. I'm not discussing that when you have an illness or mental problem that drugs might help (or which drugs). But just take it because somehow it would "enhance" your life... still need to see proof of that. Most of the "enhancement" that I saw went to other direction.

My life went from regularly thinking about committing suicide to thriving and living and being able to pull up and learn tools of moving forward. Thanks to psilocybin.

It’s not something I take often, but I can’t imagine living anywhere as close to as fulfilling a life without psychedelics.

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Post by xs83 »

probablypower wrote: post #150
xs83 wrote: post #101

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I vomited so hard that I gave myself 2 black eyes and burst a blood vessel in my eye so it went completely red. I literally thought I was going to spew up a kidney. Its called La Purga for a reason though, prior to vomiting, because you are starting to trip, you get into a negative thought spiral, this builds and builds and you feel vile. Then all of a sudden - blam. Kidney coming through your nose level spew.... alo…

You can get the same purging experience and feeling of lightness with a standard colonoscopy prep, which is done with over the counter medication. You don't get black eyes either.

Nor the fun you get from the actual introspection and trip itself. Its not just about the puking

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Post by xs83 »

boppo1 wrote: post #139
nikisweeting wrote: post #124

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I have the same approach. I think given how many smart, rational people I know say there is something to purging I'm inclined to try it once, but once I have that experience I think I'm likely to revert to thinking it's stockholm syndrome for long-term exploration / future trips.

I have not taken ayahuasca, but have vomited on acid. I believe your latter conclusion is correct. Psychedelics are overrated by those who take them.

I disagree, I love both disassociatives and Hallucinogenics, they are entirely different beasts though. I love the alien / earthbound feeling of things like DMT, Mushrooms, Acid, 2-Cx, it feels...natural to be in that state, I also love how quickly things can go south on them purely as a function of your own mind deciding it wants to be a prick.

Disassociatives like Ketamine are totally different, in some ways more profound (and the shorter time of action is a big draw) but I cant say I "Love" them but finishing a night on them is an experience everyone should try if they are interested in exploring their mind and ego-death.

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Post by ramazanpolat »

Ayahuasca changed my life. But it is not for everyone! Especially if you are using SSRI drugs or if you have heart conditions. Shamans will ensure you if you are eligible to use it. Other than that, *every adult should use at least once in their lifetime*. Watch "The War on Consciousness" from Graham Hankook for better understanding of it.

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Post by aricz »

DenisM wrote: post #87
aricz wrote: post #83

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Edibles can kick your arse in a major way and go on for hours. I've had a few experiences that surpasses most of my trips on LSD. But I agree that a moderate-high dose of LSD that goes south is much harder to control. Sometimes it's just like a bomb detonates in the center of your mind, and you're using the next days (weeks, months or years) collecting the debris and trying to piece them together. "Take it easy duuud…

What is moderate-high in your book?

I would say 150mcg is a moderate dose, maybe pushing into the high dose territory. Anything beyond is high dose. And kamikaze at 500mcg? Beyond that you have thumbprints.

All subjective, and the lines become fuzzy.

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Post by euroderf »

bheadmaster wrote: post #238
euroderf wrote: post #235

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Driving a car is just conditioning yourself thru repetition to operate one particularly dangerous mechanical device thru dynamic environments. No biggie.

Making love is just thrusting your penis into vagina until you finish. No biggie. Singing/making music is just making random sounds until they sound good. No biggie. Speaking to god is just saying whatever comes out of your mind until you feel better. No biggie. --- Everything can be made to sound silly when you oversimplify it. Such arguments don't have anything to do with activity "being real" at all.

Comparing sexual relations, musicmaking, and speaking to God to... driving a car ?

Color me dubious.

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