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An offshore workforce is training Amazon’s warehouse-monitoring algorithms

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Re: An offshore workforce is training Amazon’s warehouse-monitoring algorithms

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What I don't understand is why tech people (who have plenty of job opportunities) want to work for a company which does things like this.

Same reason some people go work in Defense. Money.

I don’t work in defense and I don’t want to, but I’d say defense is much more a gray area than Amazon. Defense is required, but has definitely gone of the rails in ways.

On the other hand, Amazon is definitely not required at all, it’s a pure race to the bottom play.

Re: An offshore workforce is training Amazon’s warehouse-monitoring algorithms

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>In the summer of 2020, Amazon’s warehouse in Bolton, England, was rolling out a new stowing system — known internally as “Nike” — that relied on computer vision and manual checks from workers in India and Costa Rica.

I hope I wasn't the only one to notice that. The person who named it must be truly diabolical.

Re: An offshore workforce is training Amazon’s warehouse-monitoring algorithms

#43

What I don't understand is why tech people (who have plenty of job opportunities) want to work for a company which does things like this.

Same reason some people go work in Defense. Money.

Most of the people I know in defense are relatively mission oriented.

Re: An offshore workforce is training Amazon’s warehouse-monitoring algorithms

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>Seems like a speed run of the gilded age to me with the inevitable war theater in Europe and potentially Asia as the back drop for the World Wars that took placce in the 20th Century seems more apt; What does workplace monitoring have to do with global conflicts? >There is a massive Global protest scheduled for this Black Friday [0], Doesn't this type of stuff (eg. anti-capitalism/consumerism protests) happen every…

> What does workplace monitoring have to do with global conflicts? Let me make it clearer: I feel that the sine 2008 we've been living in an era that resembles the gilded age, and that Amazon is the closest analogue to the robber barons (oil and steel) of that time who exploited and ravaged as they pleased. Workplace monitoring doesn't have anything to do with global conflicts, but workplace intimidation is the norm…

Yes, apparently there is such an animal: https://aws.amazon.com/energy/solutions/refinery-monitoring-...

Re: An offshore workforce is training Amazon’s warehouse-monitoring algorithms

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Cost of living. To imply that Costa Rica's education is somehow superior to India's is misrepresenting the situation. If in my local market 300 dollars is a pretty good average then I don't have leverage to ask for 800 dollars from the HR department of a billion dollar beast of a company who will create every possible pressure to adjust the offer according to my local market.

But that doesn't explain the incentive for Amazon to hire anyone from Costa Rica at 3x higher salary? If education/skills are the same why not just hire more Indians (or ppl from some other, cheaper Latin America country) and save a lot of money? Hell, they could easily open a center in many parts of Eastern Europe and still hire people for far less than those $800.

I think the real answer is: The difference between $300 and $800 per worker for a program like this is _couch money_ for a company like Amazon. The value they will eventually derive from the data and profits is well worth whatever time savings they get from hiring someone in the western hemisphere I imagine.

Re: An offshore workforce is training Amazon’s warehouse-monitoring algorithms

#47

What I don't understand is why tech people (who have plenty of job opportunities) want to work for a company which does things like this.

Have you been to India? There is high income inequality and poverty and labor is cheap. People are willing to do anything to have a better life and they don’t care if it affects other people . With 1.3 billion people competition for survival is fierce and empathy for others may lead to your downfall as only the fittest survive . The education is geared towards STEM to be highly employable and make money to get out of poverty . Amazon and big tech love India for smart , dedicated and hardworking workers who do not question broader societal questions and serve the company. PS - Sorry I am stereotyping to an extent and do not mean to come across as hateful. Just answering why tech people want to work in such situations.

Re: An offshore workforce is training Amazon’s warehouse-monitoring algorithms

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post #42

>In the summer of 2020, Amazon’s warehouse in Bolton, England, was rolling out a new stowing system — known internally as “Nike” — that relied on computer vision and manual checks from workers in India and Costa Rica. I hope I wasn't the only one to notice that. The person who named it must be truly diabolical.

I'm not sure what the issue is with the italicized text (I get the neo-Dickensian awfulness of the article). Nike is Greek for Victory though.

Re: An offshore workforce is training Amazon’s warehouse-monitoring algorithms

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There are likely teams of tech workers maintaining the surveillance tech pipeline at the company. Excluding the people who just don't care, or who enjoy it for the wrong reasons, the rest probably believe that the tech they work on is good and helping the world.

Anyone who believes this is good work and helping the world is deluded. It's full on race to the bottom, treat people like robots, surveillance state stuff.

Agreed, and it makes my skin crawl knowing that there are plenty of people in the field who would adopt those delusions to justify the work they do.

Re: An offshore workforce is training Amazon’s warehouse-monitoring algorithms

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Anyone who believes this is good work and helping the world is deluded. It's full on race to the bottom, treat people like robots, surveillance state stuff.

What is the limit for monitoring? Is a GPS tracker too much? Video too much? My wife is in healthcare and knows how to properly administer vaccine injections so that the kid gets thee best immune response. She has had to notify our clinic that their nurses are not proper administering the vaccine. How would someone audit this if it is not recorded? We have also had doctors write notes stating they checked or discusse…

> Surely, one would agree that recording a cop while on the job is necessary (for both cop and others), so what is the line that separates a delivery worker?

I don't know any delivery drivers who have state approval to use force and kill with little to no impunity. They also don't have billion dollar unions that will go up to bat for them when they do face liability for their actions.

One is one of the very few checks on power that exist, the other is used to punish workers for using the bathroom instead of peeing in bottles.

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