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Is wine fake?

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Re: Is wine fake?

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post #283

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It looks like no one has said this yet. Many of the higher price/quality wines are expected to be cellared for a certain number of years after release. Opened too soon, they will have too much tannin and/or acidity. It costs money to keep wines under the correct conditions. One thing that drives up the price of a bottle is whether someone else already did this for you. A 2014 Bordeaux right now, on average, will cost…

Yes that's another factor. For the cheaper wines (pretty much anything you can get in a grocery store), they're made to be opened immediately and don't really benefit from aging. But the higher end wines need to be aged. One of the fun things is that you don't really know exactly the optimum amount of time to cellar a new vintage. So there are online forums where people will buy a case and open one bottle a year and…

I occasionally make wine as a hobby.

This is actually the first year in a long time that I have a batch aging -- using wild grapes growing on my property. The first wine I ever made (from a kit), unbeknownst to me, needed to be aged to taste good. Once I learned that, I did the same test: every few months I'd open a bottle and taste it. After a year, most of the "tarry" flavors were gone, after 3 it was getting good. At five I really liked it. Unfortunately, no bottles survived to the 10-year mark, but I did learn to make wines that matured a lot faster!

Re: Is wine fake?

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The entire field is absolute hogwash. Blind testers can’t tell the difference. I was mad the other day because I saw wine glasses categorized by what kind of wine should go in them— give me a break.

> Blind testers can’t tell the difference

According to the article, this result comes from a study that used inexperienced undergrads, and those who have passed more rigorous training protocols perform better.

Re: Is wine fake?

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Sigh. £6 a bottle of cheapest wine here in UK because of import tax and alcohol tax. And I could buy British gin in Hong Kong cheaper than in UK

See also minimum alcohol pricing in Scotland.

Just checked, what a rubbish law. Doesn’t affect the rich who drink expensive stuff while screwing the poor. In the name of protecting people as well.

Re: Is wine fake?

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post #337

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I know lots of US states have egregious liquor taxes. Alabama is particularly bad: 58% shelf price + $.45/L

Part of that comes from having to pay tax on the barrel every year while it ages.

I don't think Alabama is aging a lot of wine relative to the US market as a whole. It's primarily a "sin" tax. One of the few taxes in the US that can gain popular support.

Re: Is wine fake?

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Wine quality = 12.145 + 0.00117 winter rainfall + 0.0614 average growing season temperature - 0.00386 harvest rainfall This is the formula developed by Orley Ashenfelter to predict the quality of wine, as described in the book Super Crunchers by Ian Ayres. It is the Moneyball of wine and he claims it does just as well as experts.

Does this formula applied to fortified wines e.g. Porto?

Re: Is wine fake?

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whoa that is weird. When I taste wine these days, I can ONLY taste vinegar. I'm not even sure why that is.

Have you had Covid lately? It can severely affect taste and smell.

Nah, this has been going on for about 15 years for me. I haven't tried wine recently because to me it tastes so bad.

Re: Is wine fake?

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> the original fast food was hot dogs and that's almost entirely gone now. Curious about this history. According to Wikipedia, fast food was common during antiquity, while the hotdog wasn't invented until the 1400s. White Castle seems to be recognized as the origin of modern day fast food and it opened as a hamburger joint.

In antiquity it was more what we might call street food or fast casual. What really defines fast food is mass production and uniformity.

> In antiquity it was more what we might call street food

In context, though, the original commenter considered things like street hotdog vendors to be fast food. That is not unlike the kind of delivery you would find in antiquity, even if the actual food product differed.

> What really defines fast food is mass production and uniformity.

Technically, what really defines a term is how it is used in a certain context and how it works towards reaching a shared understanding, which was achieved with the original use of fast food found in this thread. You are right that the definition that emerged here does not align with definitions found in other contexts, but those other contexts are irrelevant to this particular context.

Re: Is wine fake?

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post #486

Me, an American living in the EU: "You cannot mix wine with Coke. That just isn't done!" Spanish kids, from one of the top 3 premier wine-producing countries of the world: *laughing at my pretension* "Just try it!" Me: "That's... delicious!" Wine + Coca-Cola. Try it. Recommended by Spanish kids.

Just don't even think about using a decent wine for this. Just the cheapest you can find in the supermarket. BTW, we call it "kalimotxo".

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