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> An in-person game can last easily 12 hours How are you playing it? We've never had a game run over 4 hours.
New players and stretchable diplomacy period length :)
Yuck. I can not stress enough how important a timer is to play Diplomacy in person.
For those hearing of this game for the first time and think it sounds fun. Be warned, it is considered to be a game that will end friendships that have lasted for years, and monopoly is considered to be a game that causes less bad feelings. An AI may be able to speak like a person but will never be able to hang onto that long burning simmering hatred from when Brad didn't support my army and instead flipped on me by…
There was an amazing profile of the Diplomacy competitive scene: https://grantland.com/features/diplomacy-the-board-game-of-t... Although I find the fallout has been rather overstated. I'm certain it can end badly for unsuspecting participants - but I've played lots of Diplomacy (and even hosted games with a cash pot for the winners) and it has never ended in fallout. Just make sure everyone knows what they are getti…
Blog: https://ai.facebook.com/blog/cicero-ai-negotiates-persuades-...
Site: https://ai.facebook.com/research/cicero/
Expert player vs. Cicero AI: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5192bvUS7k
RFP: https://ai.facebook.com/research/request-for-proposal/toward...
Maybe we shouldn't be training computers how to lie better? If you've never played diplomacy - its a 7+ hour game that destroys friendships with backstabbing and betrayal as a required mechanic to win the game.
Seems too low amount of data to conclude anything?
Maybe we shouldn't be training computers how to lie better? If you've never played diplomacy - its a 7+ hour game that destroys friendships with backstabbing and betrayal as a required mechanic to win the game.
The agent generates plans for itself as well as for other players that could benefit them / that they are likely to do, and it tries to have discussions based on those plans. That is - it is conditioning its language model generations on its actual true plans, and does not have any features to create false messages. It doesn’t always follow through with what it previously discussed with a player because it may change its mind about what moves to make, but it does not intentionally lie in an effort to mislead opponents.
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There was an amazing profile of the Diplomacy competitive scene: https://grantland.com/features/diplomacy-the-board-game-of-t... Although I find the fallout has been rather overstated. I'm certain it can end badly for unsuspecting participants - but I've played lots of Diplomacy (and even hosted games with a cash pot for the winners) and it has never ended in fallout. Just make sure everyone knows what they are getti…
Agreed that Diplomacy is tremendous fun, as long as you have 7+ hours to spare and a house with lots of separate rooms for private conversations to take place in. But the important thing to keep in mind is that the only way to win the game is by first making alliances with other players by promising you would never betray them, and then second by strategically betraying your allies before they can betray you. If ever…
It only takes this long if you don't use a round timer and you don't allow shared victories. Even with new players we usually wrap up the game in 4-5 hours (people will start getting eliminated around hour 2 - so usually we have a "loser room" with other games and stuff to do).
You can also do it online with a turn a day (I ran an office Diplomacy League this way).
It's worth noting that you can play the game completely openly and honestly. We have had complete victories where the winner never once backstabbed anyone (he was just a very shrewd negotiator). It's just pretty rare because the more honest you are all game, the more reward you will get for a well placed backstab.
> This league played with five minute negotiation turns; these time controls allowed games to be completed within two hours. Cicero ranked in the top 10% of participants who played more than one game and 2 nd out of 19 participants in the league that played 5 or more games. Across all 40 games, Cicero 's mean score was 25.8%, more than double the average score of 12.4% of its 82 opponents. As part of the league, Cice…
For those hearing of this game for the first time and think it sounds fun. Be warned, it is considered to be a game that will end friendships that have lasted for years, and monopoly is considered to be a game that causes less bad feelings. An AI may be able to speak like a person but will never be able to hang onto that long burning simmering hatred from when Brad didn't support my army and instead flipped on me by…
I have heard this about various games (Risk and Settlers of Catan mostly). I don’t get it. The point of these games is to be a bastard. If everyone goes into it with the understanding that there will be double crosses, how could there be hurt feelings? Monopoly is worse; it is just boring, I would dump my friends if they suggested monopoly not because I was hurt by their ruthless gameplay but for their terminally tas…
I guess you never play poker because you don't like to bluff. Or you've never faked a pass in basketball before taking a shot. Or you and the catcher like to announce when you're going to throw a curveball.