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Re: Mycroft – open source voice assistant

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$350 for a 4.5" CRT looking thing? OR $90 for echo show 8" which does many more things. *Including government surveillance. I wonder how many people have preordered.

Under the specs, all I saw for display was: >4.3″ IPS wide-viewing angle, full color, touchsceen Were you able to find more information somewhere else about it being crt?

He didn't say it's a CRT, he said it's a 'CRT looking thing', which it definitely is with the thick extension behind the monitor.

Personally I do like the design but I'm quite fond of Fallout/Alien style retro displays so YMMV. As a personal assistant type thing the original vertical prototype with eyes seemed better though.

Re: Mycroft – open source voice assistant

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$350 for a 4.5" CRT looking thing? OR $90 for echo show 8" which does many more things. *Including government surveillance. I wonder how many people have preordered.

Under the specs, all I saw for display was: >4.3″ IPS wide-viewing angle, full color, touchsceen Were you able to find more information somewhere else about it being crt?

He said CRT looking, I assume to mean “old-fashioned and bulky/boxy”, not that it actually was a CRT based display.

Re: Mycroft – open source voice assistant

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I backed on IndieGoGo (in late 2018 I think), then helped crowdfund on StartEngine. I want so badly to speak well of these guys, and since I invested I want them to succeed, but it's been getting harder to do so. They deserve credit for being reasonably transparent about their processes though. Their blog has been very interesting to follow. They had a ton of issues trying to work out their original design, then the…

There is also a strange story of speech developer leaving them a week ago https://community.rhasspy.org/t/rhasspy-is-joining-nabu-casa...

Re: Mycroft – open source voice assistant

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$350 for a 4.5" CRT looking thing? OR $90 for echo show 8" which does many more things. *Including government surveillance. I wonder how many people have preordered.

They actually have some data for you here to give you a sense of scale:

https://mycroft.ai/mark-ii-status/

Re: Mycroft – open source voice assistant

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post #11

Would love to read about experiences actually using this (I mean Mycroft in general) — good, bad, or otherwise. Also, though: why don't we have "text assistants"? Seems to me the process of deciphering spoken text is (or should be) entirely orthogonal to performing the actual task — changing the lighting, cranking up the AC/heat, arming the security perimeter, or whatever. I think the reason is that voice recognition…

> why don't we have "text assistants" We do, it's called typing things into Google.

Will that initiate actions like the voice thing does? I thought it just returned search results.

Re: Mycroft – open source voice assistant

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The voice assistant space is dying: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/11/amazon-alexa-is-a-co...

Some of the comments below are part of the explanation why. It doesn't work as well as people were hoping, and it's a solution in search of a problem with limited application and it seems little monetization. The above article sums it up better from the big tech company's perspective.

Re: Mycroft – open source voice assistant

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> sexism in the voice recognition What does this mean? Mycroft prefers taking orders from dudes?

Yes. It reliably responds to the wakeword ("hey Mycroft") from men, and only responds about 50% of the time to women. When my sister visits, it almost never responded to her for example. And in my personal experience, I used to have a very deep voice and it always responded to me. I decided I would rather have a more androgynous voice and did some voice training to accomplish that and use a pretty neutral pitch. Now…

> It reliably responds to the wakeword ("hey Mycroft") from men, and only responds about 50% of the time to women.

They have instructions on how to train your own version of the wakeword listener.

https://github.com/MycroftAI/mycroft-precise#train-your-own-...

Re: Mycroft – open source voice assistant

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post #11

Would love to read about experiences actually using this (I mean Mycroft in general) — good, bad, or otherwise. Also, though: why don't we have "text assistants"? Seems to me the process of deciphering spoken text is (or should be) entirely orthogonal to performing the actual task — changing the lighting, cranking up the AC/heat, arming the security perimeter, or whatever. I think the reason is that voice recognition…

> why don't we have "text assistants"

I used to use a text-based assistant service called I want Sandy and it was great. Then Twitter bought the company and they went away.

http://boingboing.net/2007/11/14/i-want-sandy-perfect.html

Re: Mycroft – open source voice assistant

#29
I have one of these devices. I'm still a bit mystified about what I want to use it for. But, after reading these threads, I've now got a few ideas that make me very excited.

I have come to despise the Google/Alexa/Siri devices. I'll explain why.

I hate that Google Home devices always give you a direct answer when you ask a question. The reason I hate this is because my kids use it to get an answer, without any work, without any thinking, without any consideration that there might be context to the answer. If they were to research and read about the question, they would learn so much more. But, they, like all people, want a simple and compact answer. And, I'm sure Google engineers have their RSUs tied to some KPI that says "make answers as simple and compact" so it will never come out any way other than this from Google.

I hate that Google permits my kids to play the same damn song over and over again. (Cue sentimental music...). In my day, we listened to the radio and it might have been bad for my dad for five minutes and he scowled the whole way as enjoyed some utterly awful pop song, but then that song ended and he didn't have to listen to it for a few hours. Modern radio is worse, but at least you can take a break for an hour before they play (and are paid to play) the same song over and over.

I hate the surveillance aspect of Google. I don't want to have profiles generated of my kids such that when Google revenues dip in a few years they are enticed by an offer from that shady insurance conglomerate that really wants to know whether any of them discussed depression or racism.

So, if I can use a Mycroft device to:

  * Permit them to ask questions, but give them answers in a way they have to dig and think and explore, that would be really cool. I'm sure this isn't easy, but it will never happen with Google/Alexa/Siri because they only care about MONETIZING those interactions.
  * Give me more control over how media is consumed. The people working at YouTube will never have a KPI for "make sure you can only play one song per hour" and Google Home will never have that KPI, so it will never happen. That will never be something they can MONETIZE. It seems like it will be a lot more challenging to get music onto my Mycroft, but I prefer to play Jazz radio and because there still are live streams, I think you could get off the YouTube/Spotify/Amazon music train anyway. I got rid of so much of my music, but you can play shared files: https://mycroft-ai.gitbook.io/mark-ii/basic-commands#jukebox
  * Forget the worries about surveillance. Mycroft right now uses Google for text to speech, but it can anonymize it enough for me not to worry as much.

Re: Mycroft – open source voice assistant

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Depends on what it's used for imo. I've got the same setup and--apart from some sexism in the voice recognition--the basics work flawlessly. Once it's up and running it's trivial to set timers, check the weather, do basic unit conversions, etc... Maybe once a month it freezes and it just needs to be restarted, anyone can do that who can get used to talking to a robot in the first place. The more complicated stuff, I…

Been looking for an open source tool like this for a while now - but to automate some home security stuff. All I need is good basic functionality anyways. So its good to know it at least works. The sexism part is horse manure though. A strong accusation on a likely small team on tight deadlines and budgets who cannot cater to everyone all at once, like Big Tech and their massive resources and teams.

I don't mean to say the devs have any ill intent. Just pointing out the reality it has trouble with feminine voices. Like veidr points out in response to my comments, implicit bias is a big issue. Probably they originally trained the wakeword model entirely on American cis men, so naturally it has trouble recognizing any voice outside of that norm. It's not an accusation, this is a very well documented pitfall of machine learning.

I'm very grateful to the Mycroft team because I love smart speakers but am not willing to sacrifice my privacy to such a degree as I would have to to use a google home or Alexa or anything like that. That does not mean I won't point out its flaws.

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