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Re: An offshore workforce is training Amazon’s warehouse-monitoring algorithms

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Post by krageon »

DoingIsLearning wrote: post #8
therealdrag0 wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Costa Rica has a pretty educated workforce. Probably just demand a higher wage.

Cost of living. To imply that Costa Rica's education is somehow superior to India's is misrepresenting the situation. If in my local market 300 dollars is a pretty good average then I don't have leverage to ask for 800 dollars from the HR department of a billion dollar beast of a company who will create every possible pressure to adjust the offer according to my local market.

> To imply that Costa Rica's education is somehow superior to India's is misrepresenting the situation.

You fail to explain why it is a misrepresentation. In fact, you don't address it at all outside of this statement.

Re: An offshore workforce is training Amazon’s warehouse-monitoring algorithms

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Post by lotsofpulp »

supert56 wrote: post #20
heavyset_go wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are likely teams of tech workers maintaining the surveillance tech pipeline at the company. Excluding the people who just don't care, or who enjoy it for the wrong reasons, the rest probably believe that the tech they work on is good and helping the world.

Anyone who believes this is good work and helping the world is deluded. It's full on race to the bottom, treat people like robots, surveillance state stuff.

What is the limit for monitoring? Is a GPS tracker too much? Video too much?

My wife is in healthcare and knows how to properly administer vaccine injections so that the kid gets thee best immune response. She has had to notify our clinic that their nurses are not proper administering the vaccine. How would someone audit this if it is not recorded?

We have also had doctors write notes stating they checked or discussed so and so issues, when it blatantly did not happen, so we have to send a message correcting them. I understand that the doctor is likely covering their ass from excessive liability, but they’re also concerns from the patient side that proper care is not being delivered and the patient will never know.

I am not intending to pick on healthcare, it is just the first example that came to mind for when I thought of instances where recorded evidence would benefit me. But it is interesting to think about changes in societal trust and perception of societal trust now that recording is so cheap. Surely, one would agree that recording a cop while on the job is necessary (for both cop and others), so what is the line that separates a delivery worker?

Re: An offshore workforce is training Amazon’s warehouse-monitoring algorithms

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Post by JaimeThompson »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #22
supert56 wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anyone who believes this is good work and helping the world is deluded. It's full on race to the bottom, treat people like robots, surveillance state stuff.

What is the limit for monitoring? Is a GPS tracker too much? Video too much? My wife is in healthcare and knows how to properly administer vaccine injections so that the kid gets thee best immune response. She has had to notify our clinic that their nurses are not proper administering the vaccine. How would someone audit this if it is not recorded? We have also had doctors write notes stating they checked or discusse…

Those at VP and above levels should subject themselves to the same sort of monitoring as delivery workers so as to lead by example.

Re: An offshore workforce is training Amazon’s warehouse-monitoring algorithms

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Post by bryanrasmussen »

RektBoy wrote: post #14

Anyone still wondering why there are so many Indian scammers? Why work this BS job for BS money, when you can scam old people and get paid.

I'm just going to assume the people in the scam call-centers who call me are getting pretty BS money as well. No reason their bosses should be egalitarian minded friends to the working class.

Re: An offshore workforce is training Amazon’s warehouse-monitoring algorithms

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Post by bryanrasmussen »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #22
supert56 wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anyone who believes this is good work and helping the world is deluded. It's full on race to the bottom, treat people like robots, surveillance state stuff.

What is the limit for monitoring? Is a GPS tracker too much? Video too much? My wife is in healthcare and knows how to properly administer vaccine injections so that the kid gets thee best immune response. She has had to notify our clinic that their nurses are not proper administering the vaccine. How would someone audit this if it is not recorded? We have also had doctors write notes stating they checked or discusse…

>Surely, one would agree that recording a cop while on the job is necessary (for both cop and others), so what is the line that separates a delivery worker?

are delivery workers regularly shooting or beating up people as part of their jobs and then saying it was necessary force?

Re: An offshore workforce is training Amazon’s warehouse-monitoring algorithms

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Post by karmakurtisaani »

ivanhoe wrote: post #17
DoingIsLearning wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cost of living. To imply that Costa Rica's education is somehow superior to India's is misrepresenting the situation. If in my local market 300 dollars is a pretty good average then I don't have leverage to ask for 800 dollars from the HR department of a billion dollar beast of a company who will create every possible pressure to adjust the offer according to my local market.

But that doesn't explain the incentive for Amazon to hire anyone from Costa Rica at 3x higher salary? If education/skills are the same why not just hire more Indians (or ppl from some other, cheaper Latin America country) and save a lot of money? Hell, they could easily open a center in many parts of Eastern Europe and still hire people for far less than those $800.

There could be tons of other factors in play. Regulation, taxes, available workforce, etc. that guide decisions like these.

Re: An offshore workforce is training Amazon’s warehouse-monitoring algorithms

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Post by lotsofpulp »

JaimeThompson wrote: post #23
lotsofpulp wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is the limit for monitoring? Is a GPS tracker too much? Video too much? My wife is in healthcare and knows how to properly administer vaccine injections so that the kid gets thee best immune response. She has had to notify our clinic that their nurses are not proper administering the vaccine. How would someone audit this if it is not recorded? We have also had doctors write notes stating they checked or discusse…

Those at VP and above levels should subject themselves to the same sort of monitoring as delivery workers so as to lead by example.

Definitely. If managers want to monitor delivery workers for productivity, shareholders should want to monitor managers for productivity too.

Re: An offshore workforce is training Amazon’s warehouse-monitoring algorithms

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Post by lotsofpulp »

bryanrasmussen wrote: post #25
lotsofpulp wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is the limit for monitoring? Is a GPS tracker too much? Video too much? My wife is in healthcare and knows how to properly administer vaccine injections so that the kid gets thee best immune response. She has had to notify our clinic that their nurses are not proper administering the vaccine. How would someone audit this if it is not recorded? We have also had doctors write notes stating they checked or discusse…

>Surely, one would agree that recording a cop while on the job is necessary (for both cop and others), so what is the line that separates a delivery worker? are delivery workers regularly shooting or beating up people as part of their jobs and then saying it was necessary force?

Sure, but would one codify this if they wanted to make it law? The complexity of that is what I was trying to point out. And obviously, in its absence, we have deliver workers being recorded on the truck, because it’s simply so cheap now.

Re: An offshore workforce is training Amazon’s warehouse-monitoring algorithms

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Post by Melting_Harps »

winkeyless wrote: post #6

I feel that we are living through Les Misérables again

> I feel that we are living through Les Misérables again

Seems like a speed run of the gilded age to me with the inevitable war theater in Europe and potentially Asia as the back drop for the World Wars that took placce in the 20th Century seems more apt; Amazon is the worst of the FAANGS, and that is saying a lot. It operates under the notion of such an extreme as a 'core value' that it becomes entirely counter-productive, but since the glut of it's customer base doesn't seem to detract from the abuse labour experiences in the process it continues.

To me the closest analog to Amazon were the oil and steel barons of the time that used and abused it's work force, and exploited children etc...

There is a massive Global protest scheduled for this Black Friday [0], so the least I could do was refrain from using it since I can be out there demo'ing at this phase of my Life anymore. Amazon is one of the few corps that I feel should be not just unionized but also broken up by the State, which is really saying something since I think that is the closest thing to an economic nuclear option there is, but we're way past that point now.

0: https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2021/11/23/amazon-prote...

Re: An offshore workforce is training Amazon’s warehouse-monitoring algorithms

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Post by ceejayoz »

RektBoy wrote: post #14

Anyone still wondering why there are so many Indian scammers? Why work this BS job for BS money, when you can scam old people and get paid.

Some of the scammers are slaves. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-62792875
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