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Is wine fake?

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Re: Is wine fake?

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A long time ago, I was on one of my first business trips with an older colleague. We were staying at a rather nice hotel, and it had a really nice bar with an extensive collection of liquor. We noticed some bottles that looked really old, and looked through the huge wine/liquor menu to find them. What we found was they were Armagnac, and the oldest bottle was from the 1800s and it was $350 a glass. Coincidentally our rooms cost $350 a night.

What if, we thought, we each bought a glass, and made sure that was our only purchase at the bar, and put that on our room account. We could fudge the dates, and put an extra day stay. My colleague said he knew the payroll woman and this probably would work.

First problem though, we had no idea what Armagnac tasted like, how could we tell if it was good if we had never tried it before? At this time the bartender came by and asked what we wanted. We thought, lets order a 'good' one and pay cash, then we order the fancy one for the room. So we asked him for a 'good one'. He poured us one and showed us the bottle, then left.

We looked into the book for it, and found it was $40 a glass. Well whisky was around $4, and Jack was like $5, for comparison. That was fairly pricey at the time for our own cash, we weren't that well paid, but we did say a good one. We smelled and tasted it. It smelled good, and it was so smooth. We savored it.

The bartender came back, asked, "How is it?". We said, "Its really good, but... $40 a glass? I know we said a good one but ...". Bartender stood back, "I would never do that to you sirs!". Punched the drink into the computer, it was $4, same as well drinks.

Honestly, the next sip I took was harsh, and had a bad aftertaste. It completely changed just knowing it was the same price as the cheapest swill you could get. Now the bartender could have given us a discount, but what it meant for us was that the $350 one was a waste of effort. We would have no idea if it was good or not.

Re: Is wine fake?

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Two scientific points to bring up about this article: 1. When the author talks about Coke vs. Pepsi, he comes to the conclusion that the reason people prefer Pepsi in blind taste tests but Coke in unblinded ones is "Think of it as the brain combining two sources of input to make a final taste perception: the actual taste of the two sodas and a preconceived notion (probably based on great marketing) that Coke should t…

My cousin who was one of the people giving the challenge also said they were always supposed to give Pepsi second, because after the bitterness of the coke first, the relative sweetness of Pepsi would be slightly refreshing, even if the drinker liked the bitter taste

Re: Is wine fake?

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> He was of the opinion that generally speaking the quality of a typical wine increases monotonically with price up until around the $40 range with the big steps around the $5, $10, and $20 price points. I'm always amused when I hear this, because I live in Ontario. Our alcohol laws are set up to heavily favour local wines. Of course Ontario reds are consistently both more expensive and worse than foreign wines. High…

How does red wine from Ontario end up more expensive than the one from abroad when the laws are set up to favor the wine from Ontario?

thats called market fixing. remove competition and prices go up.

Re: Is wine fake?

#235

I'm surprised these sorts of articles still get traction? Is this just a filter bubble thing? Is it "new" to many people even though it isn't to me? Or do we just like to feel snobby about knowing the truth?

I think it is a breath of fresh air to read something thoughtfully put together.

If you just care about the bottom line, yeah there isn't anything shocking. Wine is real.

If you want to learn about some of the details, then this has substance. I certainly wasn't familiar with the studies mentioned and their data. Did you know that 11/13 experts could identify the varietal and country of origin for a French Gamay?

IMHO, the content is vastly better than articles and threads with people squabbling about the latest thing Elon said on twitter.

Re: Is wine fake?

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Also big brands usually deliver on consistency. Making the same (or very similar) wine year from year on the order or hundreds of thousands of bottles ... yeah, that takes some skill, and favorable location doesn't hurt either :) For example see the big wineries in New Zealand. But usually if you want something that's exceptional you have to spend a lot on throwing away the unexceptional parts. Not every year will be…

I assume the big brands get part of the way there by mixing old and new wine, though.

> I assume the big brands get part of the way there by mixing old and new wine, though.

I don't think they can - wine is usually sold by vintage year. "Origin" is usually weaker (e.g., 50% of grapes must be from the declared origin) and my understanding is that is where you can "adjust" year-to-year.

Re: Is wine fake?

#237
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As someone who ran a wine-tasting group for several years I can tell you this: there are definitely discernible differences between wines. What there is not, however, is any kind of absolute standard for what constitutes a "good" wine. Different people like different things. There are two things that makes wines expensive, and neither of them necessarily correlates with whether a particular wine will taste good to yo…

> Low-production wines that have an affluent following cost more because supply and demand.

Champagne region produces some astonishing volume of sparkling wine, like hundreds of millions of bottles per year. Any given bottle of sparkling from Champagne costs approx. 2 times more than cremant of the same quality.

Re: Is wine fake?

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> But unless you're seeking out that particular flavor profile It's not just seeking out a particular flavor profile. If you want to experience something novel for your mouth and you've been drinking only $20 bottles for years, you will never encounter anything new. But if you try $100 bottles, you're much more likely to accidentally discover something new (whether you like it or not is subjective) Continuously searc…

> But if you try $100 bottles, you're much more likely to accidentally discover something new You would get the same effect with $5 bottles, wouldn't you?

Something new *and pleasant ;)

Re: Is wine fake?

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> The thing is, wine quality is entirely subjective. The article says it isn't. And I agree. Go buy a two-buck chuck at Trader Joe's, and a $50 Chateauneuf de Pape from 2018. One is an acrid, acidic fruit punch, the other is a balanced soft tannin delight. I guarantee your palette can tell the difference, or your money back. :)

The chuck is the "delight"

When I want the cool refreshing taste of fruity vinegar I buy this:

https://www.amazon.com/Pok-Som-Drinking-Vinegar-5x4-Oz/dp/B0...

Fight me. :)

Re: Is wine fake?

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> The thing is, wine quality is entirely subjective. The article says it isn't. And I agree. Go buy a two-buck chuck at Trader Joe's, and a $50 Chateauneuf de Pape from 2018. One is an acrid, acidic fruit punch, the other is a balanced soft tannin delight. I guarantee your palette can tell the difference, or your money back. :)

Agreed, they have different qualities. Still, characteristics don't automatically translate to people preferring the expensive one because it's "better", it's only "different". Individual taste preferences introduce a high degree of variance.

Of course, some people love velveeta. But if that's all you've ever had...

I thought the smiley face on my comment was a dead giveaway.

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