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Is wine fake?

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Re: Is wine fake?

#121
Wine is just fermented grapes. It is not magic. Expensive bottles of wine may be better on average, but largely just because they put in even more quality controls and so deliver a more consistent wine. It is not magnitudes of a difference.

People talk about wine like it is magic or high art. That there is something deeper to understand. There really isn’t.

Re: Is wine fake?

#123
post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The secret is that a lot of cheap wine is pretty darn good. I imagine there's somewhat of a correlation between price and quality, especially at the absolute bottom end of the pricing scale. But it's a very loose correlation.

Absolutely true in South america. I've had a ton of different sub-$5 wines. In my experience, if you randomly buy 20 bottles of $5 wines, one is better than a $100 bottle, plus you also get some 5 great wines, 10 good ones and the rest works for cooking. The best wine I've ever drank cost less than $3 and was produced in a tropical (21 South), 800m altitude region of Minas Gerais, Brazil. Never assume wine is bad bec…

> The best wine I've ever drank

Do you remember what this was called, or specifically where? If I'm ever there I'd love to find this!

Re: Is wine fake?

#124
I made a career limiting move at my first job when I arranged a blind wine tasting at the house of the CEO, who was a pretentious wine snob. I'd have been fine if I stuck to $40-50 bottles but I snuck in some Gato Negro from Chile, then made sure everyone knew when that was the CEO's favourite.

Started my first company shortly thereafter, probably that incident is as responsible as anything else for my entrepreneurial path.

Re: Is wine fake?

#125
post #97

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There have been a lot of blind wine tastings done and the results are always interesting. Sometimes cheap bottles score as high, or higher than vintages. Other times people can spot the cheap "carton" wine easily. My wife and I love to cook, have discussed opening our own restaurant, have eaten at lots of very expensive "haute cuisine" restaurants and have tasted lots of wines. Part of the "problem" is that taste is…

You seem very experienced at wine and food, so I hope you know this. I can taste a wine and like it just fine if I haven’t eaten or drink anything else. But if I eat anything, even just the tiniest bit, the wine to me just becomes sour and I can only taste the alcohol. This completely ruined wine for me. Is this common?

whoa that is weird. When I taste wine these days, I can ONLY taste vinegar. I'm not even sure why that is.

Re: Is wine fake?

#126
Nope, wine is not fake.

Some are better than others, depending on many factors, and this is not up for debate.

Of course, there is also a lot of bullshit at the higher end of the price spectrum.

Re: Is wine fake?

#127
post #55

I took the introductory sommelier exam as a hobbyist, but I was in a room with ~200 people in the industry. We collectively blind tasted about a dozen wines, and I watched as people around me mostly guessed correctly with astonishing accuracy. There may be some nonsense in wine tasting, but it is definitely possible to develop a body of knowledge and experience that allows one to identify wines based on only your sen…

Some people say you can't tell the difference between Pepsi, Coke, and the diet versions of both, but I certainly can. I've no doubt a sommelier can tell differences between wines. What I do suspect is that you can enjoy moderately priced wines just as well as many more expensive ones.

I suspect there's a chicken and egg effect with pricing and blind tasting. Someone who can identify wines blind surely knows how much each region/producer/style costs, and based on that would assign a guessed price. Example: Paulliac is expensive, this tastes like a Paulliac, therefore wines that taste this must also be expensive.

Re: Is wine fake?

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post #112

One of my professors in grad school was really into wine and every couple of years he would put on an after-hours wine tasting class for a semester. One of the points he made was that there are absolutely wines which are objectively better and worse and that experts can reliably tell them apart. He had met enough experts who could identify a vineyard and vintage blind to know there was something to it. But sitting on…

> He was of the opinion that generally speaking the quality of a typical wine increases monotonically with price up until around the $40 range with the big steps around the $5, $10, and $20 price points. I'm always amused when I hear this, because I live in Ontario. Our alcohol laws are set up to heavily favour local wines. Of course Ontario reds are consistently both more expensive and worse than foreign wines. High…

How does red wine from Ontario end up more expensive than the one from abroad when the laws are set up to favor the wine from Ontario?

Re: Is wine fake?

#129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>My wife and I love to cook, have discussed opening our own restaurant, have eaten at lots of very expensive "haute cuisine" restaurants and have tasted lots of wines. Please don’t make the mistake of thinking “I like to cook” means “I would like to run a restaraunt”. They’re two completely different things.

Can you elaborate on this? I'm sure there's more to it and it could be great to know what some of the specifics are, but it also seems like someone who likes to cook is going to need to be present for a good restaurant

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Re: Is wine fake?

#130
> In 2001 Frédérick Brochet of the University of Bordeaux asked 54 wine experts to test two glasses of wine [...] that one had been coloured red with a flavourless dye.

Well, red wine is red because it's colored by the skin of the grapes.

I guess the critique is that the tasters were inconsistent, they used [very] different language for the wine(s).

Which is definitely interesting. But not that surprising :)

> "jammy"

I had no idea what they meant by jammy, but according to google it's very fruity wine, low acidity, low in tannin. Ah!

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