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Re: We are sorry to inform you that you are in a cult

#171

It’s an interesting piece, and I think it’s intended to be satirical (and done rather well). But, I grew up in an actual cult. The comments here to the effect of “everything’s a cult” and “startups are cults” and “HN is a cult” - oh gosh. Nothing could be further from the truth. HN is not a cult, folks. I’m glad people can make those jokes though, because I immediately know they didn’t experience what I did. They hav…

Do you think that any of these things have cult-like tendencies, or is it a completely distinct phenomenon? It seems like people can go down a rabbit hole to varying degrees. I know I have that tendency. I went down the Scott Adams rabbit hole and allowed him to convince me of some silly things, but I had enough self-awareness not to get too sucked in. And it seems like QAnon is a much more extreme version of the same thing. You grew up in a cult, so I'm guessing you didn't have the same transformative experience of a new recruit. I could see the evidence that QAnon people were posting on Twitter for their beliefs, the apparent predictions and signs in what the president was saying or posting on Twitter. And because of my mental health history, I know the feeling of seeing something really convincing like that, and feeling the ground drop out from under you, and your whole world suddenly change (even if I snap out of it later). I can see behind the curtain, I know something about the nature of reality that everyone would think is ridiculous because they just haven't seen it yet. I always imagined that this is how a cult gets a new recruit.

I don't know if QAnon has the radical separation aspect where you can't be friends with former members if you leave. But QAnon is certainly something bad. Does it have aspects of a cult, to you? Is there such a thing as varying degrees, even if it's not a real cult until it reaches the threshold?

Re: We are sorry to inform you that you are in a cult

#174

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> Besides, you know... For those interested in knowing the actual Christian teaching on the topic of hell, just be aware that this comment is completely incorrect.

For those looking to find a definitive “actual” teaching on hell (or any topic) in Christianity, just be aware, it will take a while. There are a lot of denominations, each with many differing takes on hell. The above comment is reflective of one such interpretation of hell. Not an exclusive interpretation, but still a valid one.

> Not an exclusive interpretation, but still a valid one.

This is only technically true in the sense that the weakest straw man still gets a seat at the table.

My comment is directed only to people who would be interested in investigating this topic with a sense of proportion. If you bring a sense of proportion to the investigation you will rule out fringe theologies and converge on a Christian teaching that looks nothing like the original canard.

Re: We are sorry to inform you that you are in a cult

#175

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>Christianity says that far from suffering always being a punishment from God for bad behavior. Besides, you know... Hell, lakes of sulfur and eternal damnation.

Maybe this will be unpopular, but Hell is not that bad of a place. In my opinion, Hell is exactly what many people on earth are asking for. Many people I know who dislike religion say that if there is a god, they wish he would leave them alone. They want to live in a world where god does not exist. This is what Hell is. Hell is simply a place where god is not, completely separate from god and his influence. The reaso…

Many people I know who dislike religion say that if there is a god, they wish he would leave them alone. They want to live in a world where god does not exist.

On the other hand there's atheists like Terry Pratchett who described himself as “rather angry with God for not existing".

Re: We are sorry to inform you that you are in a cult

#176

It’s an interesting piece, and I think it’s intended to be satirical (and done rather well). But, I grew up in an actual cult. The comments here to the effect of “everything’s a cult” and “startups are cults” and “HN is a cult” - oh gosh. Nothing could be further from the truth. HN is not a cult, folks. I’m glad people can make those jokes though, because I immediately know they didn’t experience what I did. They hav…

I think this is a really important point. We use lots of terms these days in ever more generic ways: cult, gaslighting, abuse, "I'm a bit OCD" ... each broader use of the language weakens the contexts where the language is more pointed. Of course, context is everything and language is fluid, but think pieces that inadvertently soften words can also downgrade important intentions as a side-effect.

This is known as a euphemism treadmill.

Re: We are sorry to inform you that you are in a cult

#177
In all honesty you have probably been in culty things

Most aren’t extreme - there’s also just the toxic, narcissistic leader people are eager to please, that attracts sycophants and exerts a high level of ostracism on folks that don’t conform. You can find yourself backing into these situations almost unconsciously. There’s an entire field of studying malignant narcissists and high control groups. And we all have a little narcissism / eagerness to belong we need to look out for.

Many mundane workplace settings, community groups, political movements, sports teams can easily become “culty”

Re: We are sorry to inform you that you are in a cult

#178
post #36

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Its just funny, it's basically saying your country/politics/church/society is a cult. And then it kind of invites you to join a different cult. So it's funny x 2

This is my take also, that society itself is a cult. They promise a theoretical "afterlife" of retirement after the age of 70, but until then we must suffer and work hard, usually to benefit someone else higher up the chain. They make you depend solely on others for your every need (food, housing, healthcare, etc.), making it extremely difficult to leave. But leave to where? There is no outside of this cult, other th…

> The only real way out, it seems, is to create another cult with more humane values. Or go it alone, or with a small group of friends.

Bad news, one institution has monopoly rights on that role: Democracy. And if you have a problem with Democracy, you probably have unwittingly become a member of a cult (far right, likely) and indoctrinated into believing conspiracy theories.

Now: back to work, citizen.

Re: We are sorry to inform you that you are in a cult

#179
post #33

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Honestly, apply it to your political party. I've come to see both parties can be very cultish as of late. If you leave the herd, you are immediately attacked even if it's for the smallest topic. People leave their families over it. When you start to think about it...it's starts to fall a bit into that. I think that is a more compelling argument than saying family itself is a cult, which is at the human core more than…

A good indication of a cult is that there is a shopping list of specific core beliefs (say 20) you are expected to believe. And you believe 19 of them but on the 20th you have a slightly different view. If this causes you to be banished and ostracised, then it's probably a cult. JK Rowling would be an example of this.

"I believe in the core teachings of Christianity and the truth of every sentence of the bible but have a "slightly different view" in that I am Jesus Christ, reborn."

Re: We are sorry to inform you that you are in a cult

#180

A lot of people here seem to be offended by this essay because of the literal definition of the term "cult" and start looking for potential cults they may be part of. I think they are mistaken. To me, this essay clearly speaks about the maladaptive conditioning we receive from our families and society in general during childhood and adolescence which causes us to suppress our feelings and authentic selves and treat t…

"authentic selves"

I'm not sure there actually is such a thing.

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