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Ask HN: What is the thing you've built that you regret the most?

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Re: Ask HN: What is the thing you've built that you regret the most?

#501
I'm a bit late but just had this recommended to me by someone who knows what happened to me.

I set up a startup with an acquaintance (also the life partner of an ex colleague and now former friend). We were equal partners: I did the tech, they did the marketing/strategy and occasional bit of UI design.

We got pre-seed investment with a 7-figure valuation, and we were doing the standard startup thing: building features, looking for product market fit. We had a good working relationship, with zero arguments and barely a disagreement.

Then, my one-year-old son was suddenly taken seriously ill with a life-changing condition. There was a horrible period where we weren't sure if he was going to live or die. To add to this, my wife was also 6 months pregnant at the time.

My son had some very serious operations, and required a long time to recover. The operations didn't go as planned, leaving him still with a life changing illness with a very dim outlook.

Obviously, as soon as this happened I told my partner, and they told me they would take care of everything and to take the time we needed. Everything was set up to run without intervention, and for marginal cost, so I things could be on hold without really affecting our runway.

There were some accounts we had set up with 3rd parties where I was the account admin so I transferred these over when my partner asked me to. I did this outside the paediatric intensive care unit where my son's life was in the balance.

After nearly two months of bad news after bad news, we finally made it home and began adapting to our new life.

I told my partner that I would be ready to begin returning to work gradually if possible. I got no reply.

After a few weeks, I finally got a response. My behaviour was apparently so bad that it put the company at risk, and I had been fired from my own company, with all my shares being transferred back with zero value.

Now, obviously this was absolute nonsense, and I had done nothing of the sort, so I phoned our investor to see if they knew anything. Apparently my partner had told a complete tissue of lies about how we'd been arguing and etc., etc. which was all 100% false.

Anyway, I immediately instructed the most expensive lawyer I could find who told me there was absolutely no way on earth they could lawfully do what they had done, so we began action for breach of contract.

It turned out ok for me in the end, but not after a lot of turmoil.

I absolutely cannot believe someone could be so evil, cruel and opportunistic. Basically, I'd built something that was a working, sellable product as is, requiring very little human intervention, and they decided to steal it off me.

I'm actually glad to be out of it, but I have to say getting into business with that person is a huge regret. Also, my ex-colleague who was her life partner obviously helped with figuring out what accounts and stuff they needed to take complete control of everything. I didn't think at the time what was going on when they were asking for owner access to everything. It did strike me as slightly odd but I trusted them.

As bad as it was, I've learned a lot from it: 1. Don't go into business with people you don't know really, really well. 2. Some seemingly nice people can be utter, utter shitbags for money. 3. It turns out that some people will literally completely make up stuff about you and tell it to other people. Things with not even a grain of truth. 4. Expensive lawyers are worth the money. 5. It feels good to win when someone does something shit to you like that. 6. Nothing matters more than family.

Re: Ask HN: What is the thing you've built that you regret the most?

#502
post #453

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I disagree. I think most tech workers identify more with their employers and their class than their own status and that of their colleagues. They’re moving up, fast, and they’re satisfied with their prospects more than anything they might get from solidarity. In Marxist terms, lumpenproletariat is a close approximation, but a weird accident of history.

That's not strange is it? If you're making 100k+/year, you're well into bourgeois territory, and FAANG benefits are practically near-instant-owner-class. Why would you expect anybody getting that kind of money to identify with the lower classes?

> That's not strange is it?

That depends on your baseline, of course. Or to answer your other question:

> Why would you expect anybody getting that kind of money to identify with the lower classes?

I don’t expect it, though I do have deep solidarity myself. Because, to return to the middle of your response:

> If you're making 100k+/year, you're well into bourgeois territory, and FAANG benefits are practically near-instant-owner-class.

I can speak to six figures, and I’m in no way into bourgeois territory. I’m approximately as comfortable as middle class boomers, ie I can make financial decisions to benefit my aging family with some hope I’ll still be comfortable myself. I don’t own anything in the sense meant by “bourgeois” in this context. I may yet, in the sense of a retirement plan. That’s a middle class aspiration. Which, having grown up poor and then broke and then getting by… I recognize very much is still working class.

There certainly is a larger segment of the tech work force than the general population which has reason to believe it can cross the bridge from gentry to ownership… but it’s still a minority of us and it’s mostly scraps. I don’t expect most of my colleagues to be comrades, but I certainly don’t agree with their class analysis which you have expressed so clearly.

Re: Ask HN: What is the thing you've built that you regret the most?

#503

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> There may be consequences to quitting, perhaps disproportionately felt between you and the company This is why unions are so important, even in a field like software engineering. If you quit on your own, the company may not care. But using the threat of strikes, workers can demand better conditions for themselves and more ethical directions for their company.

> This is why unions are so important My favorite counter-example is a collective action of about a thousand medical workers in SF Hospital demanding from Facebook an increase in censorship (and the censorship is impossible without surveillance). Why do you think a union will support your ethical choices? And if it would not - you’d have to quit the company and the union, loosing not only your salary, but also union…

The marginal cost of union fees is trivial in comparison to a salary.

A union gives you more choices than "surveil or resign".

And if the union fails you because it says "no, you have to surveil" then you can still resign.

Re: Ask HN: What is the thing you've built that you regret the most?

#504

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Tech workers disproportionally 1) believe in meritocracy, and 2) believe that the existing arrangement in IT is it, or at least closer to it than it would have been with unions in the picture. Why that is the case is another interesting question.

Which is to say that even very intelligent people can be very vulnerable to believing in things which are patently false provided that the end result is the ability to continue to live in a state of complete denial, and a world of pure imagination, where no action is required on one's own part and you can just continue to hope that all of this is a temporary aberration that will get better on its own :)

There's also a time component.

It's entirely possible that in the post-IBM microcomputer, pre-Google AdWords span, they were correct.

However, it's pretty obvious that current era, power has slid back from labor towards extremely-large corporations.

Re: Ask HN: What is the thing you've built that you regret the most?

#505

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At least I would probably have made a ton of money and would be made to feel important. Every minute of software development makes you feel like you're never good enough (the compiler keeps reminding you). Also, on the company side, you're always made to feel like a replaceable cog in a big machine, not to mention that salaries are generally limited and under constant threat of outsourcing... To rub salt into the wou…

which country are you from? Just curious..

Australia. As a senior software developer, it's possible to earn a salary of up to $110K USD. That may sound OK until you consider that in Australia, an experienced coal miner earns $130K USD (7 days on, 7 days off lifestyle) and a garbage man earns $80K USD...

Also, many builders, plumbers and other tradesmen run their own businesses and are earning much more than average.

Because everyone else has high salaries, it drives house prices and living costs to insane levels.

It's a similar situation in most non-US countries through. It's even worse in Europe where software developers have to compete with people from developing countries (that was true even before the mass influx caused by Ukraine war) - They have it better because they can arbitrage the international cost of living differences to buy up cheap real estate in their home countries (which, as a non-citizen, I cannot do due to regulations).

I had actually relocated to EU (Germany) to try to improve my situation but was shocked to find out that things were even worse than in Australia due to higher immigration (more competition from countries with lower cost of living = lower salaries). It was so bad, I had to move back to Australia.

At least in Australia the class differences aren't so significant; being at the bottom of society doesn't feel as bad.

Re: Ask HN: What is the thing you've built that you regret the most?

#506

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tech workers disproportionally 1) believe in meritocracy, and 2) believe that the existing arrangement in IT is it, or at least closer to it than it would have been with unions in the picture. Why that is the case is another interesting question.

Which is to say that even very intelligent people can be very vulnerable to believing in things which are patently false provided that the end result is the ability to continue to live in a state of complete denial, and a world of pure imagination, where no action is required on one's own part and you can just continue to hope that all of this is a temporary aberration that will get better on its own :)

Obviously. Why else would people on hacker news advocate for all the socialist economic policies that humanity just spent the entire 20th century proving don't work?

Sadly history repeats so we'll probably just have another "cultural revolution" and "great leap forward" in the 21st century.

Re: Ask HN: What is the thing you've built that you regret the most?

#507
post #342

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I thought nobody would be stupid enough to try to slang rocks on "clearnet", and also Bitcoin is not built to obfuscate, that's Monero.

I wouldn’t care too much about the people who try to “slang rocks”, the “8yo.mp4” is infinitely worse in my eyes.

Pretty much. We laughed off the weed stuff but when we saw the .mp4 stuff we realized it got too far.

Re: Ask HN: What is the thing you've built that you regret the most?

#508

I wrote the GNC firmware for a loitering munition and it's... complicated. I am both very proud of and saddened by it. I'm also realizing that it could be said to be the most "impactful" thing I've built.

Literally impactful.

If any software needed a memory leak it's this.

Re: Ask HN: What is the thing you've built that you regret the most?

#509

This is one side story, with no "oh I didn't knew it'll be used that way!" gotcha moment - I've worked in private milsec for some time, and I'm responsible for few device designs / ammo improvements/mk's, while I take pride in job well done, just because someone dies more quickly, doesn't mean its a good death - so after some years, I've started having doubts of that career path.

Imagine the world we could live in if there were no weapons. That's the world we would have if nobody built them.

I have heard the line "If I don't build it somebody else will." from an engineer working on multi-million dollar weapons (think F-16).

I can only decide what I do with my time on this earth. Everyone makes that decision for themselves.

Re: Ask HN: What is the thing you've built that you regret the most?

#510

When I was at Akamai about 5 years ago, I was involved in building the system for making their CDN compliant in China. There were two main features, and they were activated on all servers running inside mainland china (not HK, macau or Taiwan) 1. Logs of the CDN were sent in real time to the ministry of technology -- there was about a 15 minute delay if I remember correctly, and they could impose fines if they were d…

If I use a VPN like v2ray and write some crazy shit about Dictator Xi, is your system able to know what I write and who I am? I'm very curious because many Chinese people including me are doing that daily.

That what I do on a daily basis, so far so good, I haven't been seized by the police for what I published outside of the Great Fire Wall.
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