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Re: Twitter removed their diversity page some time between November 16, 2022 and now

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Why is that mind blowing?

Also, they're saying: "At least half of our Tweepforce will be women". So they're suggesting that more than 50% of one gender is ok, as long as they're women.

A majority in one company of an overall underrepresented demographic isn’t the oppression that you so desperately want it to be.

Re: Twitter removed their diversity page some time between November 16, 2022 and now

#83

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Here's a reality check for you. "Fire brigade relaxes strength and fitness test to make entry easier for women" [1] This stuff has precedent. [1] https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1375381/Fire-servic...

> “Here’s a reality check for you with a completely different scenario but a conclusion that reaffirms my bias” It’s really a terrible argument to compare hiring for a physically intensive job to hiring for technical and administrative roles. it borders on bad faith.

If they're bold enough to do it for a physically intensive job despite the clear absurdity, why wouldn't they do it for something else where it's easier to get away with? The people driving this phenomenon are the same in both cases. Good riddance.

Re: Twitter removed their diversity page some time between November 16, 2022 and now

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Maybe they realized that 71% of Silicon Valley being foreign-born H1b visa holders isn’t really the best image for ‘diversity’? https://slate.com/technology/2022/11/meta-facebook-layoffs-h... Bonus: almost half of Meta employees are from Asia. Reminds me of a screenshot of WPengines ‘diversity’ pledge on their website that proceeded to state nearly 80% of their staff were female. They changed it not long after.

This last paragraph reminds me of a all hands monthly meeting a while ago during which the DE&I lady reported that we did great with diversity during the past month by hiring ~80% women.

LOL this happened with us too. We were 2 indians and 2 white guys from norway in the team. We needed to add more jr devs to our team to carry out some of the tasks. They only ever sent us resumes for women and when we finally hired 2 women they thanked us for being a open and accepting team. We had to weed out 18 candidates before we settled on the only good ones. so it was almost 2/20 hit rate

Re: Twitter removed their diversity page some time between November 16, 2022 and now

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do we have data showing that men and women who self select into the profession are equally capable?

Best I could find was "SAT patterns and engineering and computer science college majors: an intersectional, state-level study" It looked at Virginian public school graduates. Non-URM (underrepresented minority) men and non-URM women who majored in computer science scored similarly on the math part of their SATs. Women scored 3% better on their verbal.

Your quote doesn't address the self-selection question.

In fact, taking that paper, it suggests that males are about 30-100% or even more more likely to enroll in an ECS major across the range of math scores.

For example, among those participants with a math score of 700, about 15% of females vs 30% of males end up enrolling in an ECS major.

Re: Twitter removed their diversity page some time between November 16, 2022 and now

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Interesting that they use the term "Latinx", a term actively disliked by many Hispanic Americans. It's a white person word.

Also I have a question, where do Indians appear in these stats? Under Asian?

Presumably they're using U.S. census derived terms, so in the U.S. Indians are considered Asians.

Re: Twitter removed their diversity page some time between November 16, 2022 and now

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‘The best’

Wow, what a comment. Totally packed with insight and truth.

Is it not useful to highlight that we have no idea how to measure “the best,” so defending hiring practices because they’re filtering for “the best” is silly?

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Re: Twitter removed their diversity page some time between November 16, 2022 and now

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I think the bigger problem here is 50% for women. Mind blowing.

Yeah, same logic applies.

Not really, minorities generally easily make up more than 25% at tech companies. You don’t have to go out of your way to make that happen.

It’s just not possible to get 50% of women in without significant handicaps to the interview process.

Re: Twitter removed their diversity page some time between November 16, 2022 and now

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Because the pool of male engineers is ~4-8x larger than female candidates, so hiring 50% women is intentionally hiring worse employees because of their genitals.

The pool is skewed male because of sexist bullshit. Computers used to be viewed as predominantly clerical and thus women were far more prevalent. And it’s patently false to assume it has to effect hiring quality at all.

Nonsense, in countries with higher gender equality women naturally flow to careers more in line with their strengths, tech is not one of them. Men and women are not equal.
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