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Kite is saying farewell and open-sourcing its code

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Re: Kite is saying farewell and open-sourcing its code

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> it fell short of the 10× improvement required to break through because today’s state of the art for ML on code is not good enough. You can see this in Github Copilot, which is built by Github in collaboration with Open AI. As of late 2022, Copilot has a number of issues preventing it from being widely adopted. True, AI assisted coding does not deliver 10x. But as a user of another AI assistant, I feel that it gives…

Which one do you use?

Re: Kite is saying farewell and open-sourcing its code

#33

> Our diagnosis is that individual developers do not pay for tools. Throwing salt on the wound here but that’s just false. I mean, there’s copilot and it’s alternative that I can’t think of the name right now. more broadly there’s Jet brains ides, visual studio, Productivity apps, etc. look at product hunt or appsumo or popular show hns. Devs pay for tools, just not Kite. Edit: I should clarify, enough devs pay for t…

How much of that is paid for by devs and how much is paid for by their employers?

Re: Kite is saying farewell and open-sourcing its code

#34
Value generation in software doesn't equal profit generation. Is it a flawed business model to pursue growth first and profit later? No, as long as there is a good plan to get that future profit. If the 500k developers weren't driving business spending decisions enough to pay for Kite, either it isn't particularly useful or it's a sign of the times. I'm guessing from the rest of the context it's the former, no one seems to be crying out that this is a great product that will be widely missed. This sort of failure is good and a good decision by the business leaders. It keeps our economy healthy, you want the real winners to win, and not every bet works out.

Re: Kite is saying farewell and open-sourcing its code

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post #18

"Our diagnosis is that individual developers do not pay for tools. Their manager might, but engineering managers only want to pay for discrete new capabilities, i.e. making their developers 18% faster when writing code did not resonate strongly enough." I never used Kite, but I've tried Github Copilot twice, and found it marginal at best (and distracting at worst - which is why I turned it off both times). If Kite wa…

Your anecdote is trivially rebutted with another. I tried Github Copilot _more than twice_ (gasp), and now pay 10$/month for it. Happily.

That's why I tried it twice. I've been hearing people say they liked it. But I haven't found it very helpful, and often distracting, so I ended up turning it off. I'll probably try again next year when the models are improved to see if I feel any differently then.

Re: Kite is saying farewell and open-sourcing its code

#36

> Our diagnosis is that individual developers do not pay for tools. Throwing salt on the wound here but that’s just false. I mean, there’s copilot and it’s alternative that I can’t think of the name right now. more broadly there’s Jet brains ides, visual studio, Productivity apps, etc. look at product hunt or appsumo or popular show hns. Devs pay for tools, just not Kite. Edit: I should clarify, enough devs pay for t…

How much of that is paid for by devs and how much is paid for by their employers?

Getting my manager to spring for an IntelliJ license instead of a free Eclipse was the easiest thing in the world.

(That manager getting the purchase order approved through corporate took months and months, but that's neither here nor there.)

Re: Kite is saying farewell and open-sourcing its code

#37

> Our diagnosis is that individual developers do not pay for tools. Throwing salt on the wound here but that’s just false. I mean, there’s copilot and it’s alternative that I can’t think of the name right now. more broadly there’s Jet brains ides, visual studio, Productivity apps, etc. look at product hunt or appsumo or popular show hns. Devs pay for tools, just not Kite. Edit: I should clarify, enough devs pay for t…

Frankly I don't pay for tools. Money is tight at work and at home, so if it's not free it ain't happening.

Re: Kite is saying farewell and open-sourcing its code

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post #18

"Our diagnosis is that individual developers do not pay for tools. Their manager might, but engineering managers only want to pay for discrete new capabilities, i.e. making their developers 18% faster when writing code did not resonate strongly enough." I never used Kite, but I've tried Github Copilot twice, and found it marginal at best (and distracting at worst - which is why I turned it off both times). If Kite wa…

Loads of devs I’ve spoken to, from junior to principal level, absolutely love Github Copilot though. Don’t know who is paying it for them, nor if Kite was significantly worse, but I think that at least Copilot has a brilliant future ahead of it.

I _love_ Copilot but the only reason I use it is because I qualify under their open source developers program, I just can't justify paying $10/month for it.

Re: Kite is saying farewell and open-sourcing its code

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post #18

"Our diagnosis is that individual developers do not pay for tools. Their manager might, but engineering managers only want to pay for discrete new capabilities, i.e. making their developers 18% faster when writing code did not resonate strongly enough." I never used Kite, but I've tried Github Copilot twice, and found it marginal at best (and distracting at worst - which is why I turned it off both times). If Kite wa…

I pay for github co-pilot. It seems surprisingly bad for typescript and excellent for python.
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