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Why we are taking our startup to Hong Kong and other crazy stories of 2011

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Re: Why we are taking our startup to Hong Kong and other crazy stories of 2011

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Looking at the world and deciding where to go. Having no one that tells you what to do and nothing that holds you back from not doing it. Wherever you go on the planet, there will be people seeing a human being in you. Welcoming you and making a son, a brother, a father, a lover, a friend out of you. There will also be a government to remind you you don't belong.

There will also be a government to protect you from being mugged, killed and discarded in the street.

I'm curious at to what statistical facts inform that opinion. Police certainly may show up after being a victim of a crime, but being protected from crimes seems a harder case to make without resorting to unfalsifiable claims (sort of like those put forth by defenders of patent law).

Re: Why we are taking our startup to Hong Kong and other crazy stories of 2011

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We also recently left the USA because one of our party is a UK citizen. We spent 6 months in the UK as US citizens with no problem, but when we came to the USA, we had to leave after 3 months, or send the UK resident co-founder out of the country at least. This visa thing is kinda absurd. What is the visa situation like in Hong Kong? I've read elsewhere that getting a visa for China is very difficult (this might be a…

In HK you can dive in/out pretty much indefinitely, as long as you don't (and I really mean DON'T) overstay, even by 1 minute.

My US friends have been doing it for two years, I'm English and have been doing it for 15 months (but we brits get 6 months at a time)

They'll screw you if you overstay.

tl;dr: HK != China.

Re: Why we are taking our startup to Hong Kong and other crazy stories of 2011

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just to be clear, I was in no way trying to tie them to a brutal dictatorship. But I think it's important to understand the political structure of the country, not just the current economic/civil environment. For the political structure may help you determine what the civil/economic condition will be as things change, i.e. a change of leadership in an authoritarian regime will have more of an impact on economic and c…

You are probably better off visiting the place and getting a feel for it rather than relying on "facts". For example, some people might see Hong Kong as part of China and thus conclude it's oppressive. However, it only takes a day or two here to realize that people enjoy a ton of freedom (I see protests all the time, and haven't seen anyone pepper sprayed or arrested yet).

"However, it only takes a day or two here to realize that people enjoy a ton of freedom (I see protests all the time, and haven't seen anyone pepper sprayed or arrested yet)."

It won't be like this forever. I think the autonomous government deadline is 50 years. When this happens, it won't be as "free" as it is now.

This is also only if the Chinese government doesn't go back on their word.

If you truly want a free country, go to Taiwan. Taipei is just as vibrant as HK.

Re: Why we are taking our startup to Hong Kong and other crazy stories of 2011

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We also recently left the USA because one of our party is a UK citizen. We spent 6 months in the UK as US citizens with no problem, but when we came to the USA, we had to leave after 3 months, or send the UK resident co-founder out of the country at least. This visa thing is kinda absurd. What is the visa situation like in Hong Kong? I've read elsewhere that getting a visa for China is very difficult (this might be a…

In HK you can dive in/out pretty much indefinitely, as long as you don't (and I really mean DON'T) overstay, even by 1 minute. My US friends have been doing it for two years, I'm English and have been doing it for 15 months (but we brits get 6 months at a time) They'll screw you if you overstay. tl;dr: HK != China.

I'm curious, what counts as leaving HK? A quick hop on the ferry to Macao or do you have to go further like Taipei or Hanoi?

Re: Why we are taking our startup to Hong Kong and other crazy stories of 2011

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I'm part of the incubation program at Cyberport in Hong Kong. You can check it out here: http://www.cyberport.hk/en/about_cyberport/our_5_centres/ent... . I've been back for 5 months and I love it.

I have a friend doing long term AI research in the HK area and he talks it up so positively that I have considered going there for 4 or 5 months to live and work on my own projects. Does the Cyberport rent inexpensive shared office space suitable for one person to have a nice work environment? I work out of a home office in Arizona, and have a great working environment but living for 4 or 5 months in a foreign country probably means a small apartment so I don't think that I would want to work at "home."

BTW, my wife really likes Hong Kong (we were there 15 months ago) so this would be an easy sell for me to talk her into it.

Re: Why we are taking our startup to Hong Kong and other crazy stories of 2011

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I m surprised no one mentions vibrant Vietnam with its endless tropical beaches, amazing food, fast internet at nearly all coffee shops and friendly people. The population is young, cost of living is still low and many big tech companies have shops here (Yahoo, Microsoft, Intel,etc) Plus it is a breeze getting a visa.

Re: Why we are taking our startup to Hong Kong and other crazy stories of 2011

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post #58

We also recently left the USA because one of our party is a UK citizen. We spent 6 months in the UK as US citizens with no problem, but when we came to the USA, we had to leave after 3 months, or send the UK resident co-founder out of the country at least. This visa thing is kinda absurd. What is the visa situation like in Hong Kong? I've read elsewhere that getting a visa for China is very difficult (this might be a…

Singapore is an expensive place to live, housing wise (though I hear food is super cheap and super plentiful with a massive "Street food"/mall-food-court culture).... though I imagine HK real estate isn't cheap either.

Housing is expensive, yes, but you can live cheaply in HK if you're willing to adjust your standards downwards: you can get a tiny flat in a low-rent area without worrying about violent crime, you can eat at cheap diners or buy groceries at cheap wet markets without worrying about food-borne diseases, etc, owning a car is logistically & socially unnecessary, etc. Not everyone needs these guarantees but it helps if you're the kind of person who worries a lot =)

What is the visa situation like in Hong Kong? I've read elsewhere that getting a visa for China is very difficult (this might be an area where HH is different from CN). Are you able to get reasonably long visas so that you can stay there indefinitely, or will you have to relocate again in 6 months or a year?

HK Immigration Department is totally separate from mainland China. Different laws, different visa types, different procedures. It's not that hard to get a real visa here. ImmD is strict about their requirements but they are not mysterious, arbitrary, or painfully slow like USCIS. There is a self-sponsored employment visa (called "investment visa", but it doesn't require big capital investment, just a business plan). It does have to demonstrate some sort of benefit to locals, but that can be in terms of using local suppliers for goods and services, rather than hiring lots of local workers. There's also the QMAS visa, a sort of points-based skilled migration visa that gives you more flexibility.

http://www.emigra.com.hk/hongkong/page76.php http://www.immd.gov.hk/ehtml/QMAS.htm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quality_Migrant_Admission_Schem...

Trying to work for your own company while on a tourist visa is a gamble. For 90 days you'll be okay. Longer term, some people have josscrowcroft's experience and go on visa runs for years without trouble. If you're low profile and don't compete with local companies the Immigration Dept. may ignore you. But others end up like this Aussie who came to HK to give a risk management seminar and got two months in prison followed by deportation for working illegally: http://news.sina.com.hk/news/2/1/1/2352180/1.html

If you decide to stay really longer term, the system is generally quite fair (at least to skilled workers and students; if you're a maid or construction worker it's a whole other kettle of fish): permanent residence takes seven years, but your "clock" doesn't reset if you change employers (e.g. if you get acquired and become an employee sponsored by your acquirer), and there's no ridiculous quota on how many PRs are approved each year. And once you have PR it's actually permanent: you can vote, you cannot be deported and there's no bullshit about "losing status" for filing a tax return as a non-resident or going back to your home country for a couple of years.

Re: Why we are taking our startup to Hong Kong and other crazy stories of 2011

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I m surprised no one mentions vibrant Vietnam with its endless tropical beaches, amazing food, fast internet at nearly all coffee shops and friendly people. The population is young, cost of living is still low and many big tech companies have shops here (Yahoo, Microsoft, Intel,etc) Plus it is a breeze getting a visa.

As someone looking for some alternate destinations to work as a developer, I'm genuinely curious about Vietnam. Where should I stay and what would be the downsides?

Re: Why we are taking our startup to Hong Kong and other crazy stories of 2011

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is EXTREMELY offensive

Oh jesus christ. Has anyone introduced you to the internet yet?

Oh yeah! That place where you can be extremely offensive without being punished for it.

I am a Colombian, quick! make a joke about drug trafficking!

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