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Re: Twitter in chaos as employees accept Musk’s invitation to quit their jobs

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Post by themitigating »

kenjackson wrote: post #408
systemvoltage wrote: post #403

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I know how crooked some of the Republicans are and some of the conspiracy shit that's going around. But, it's not like Democrats are clean, this is what is cooking in the progressive circles, especially in colleges and academia: https://twitter.com/LPofDelaware/status/1583078489430798336 What would be helpful is if you try to, with good faith, head over to r/conservatives and see what the discussion is like. They wil…

First, I didn't downvote you (actually I can't). I think that there are fringe elements on both sides. I do think there is a legit difference though in that the mass of the conservatives hold views that are to me far worse. For example, there might be a fringe of liberals that think that women and men are the same height on average -- or think there are no physical differences. But the VAST majority believe there are…

This reminds me of "mike pence is a hero" you know for not helping trump steal the election

George Bush started a war based on the lie of WMD that resulted in a massive cost of lives and money for the US. Even base level Republicans are horrible

Re: Twitter in chaos as employees accept Musk’s invitation to quit their jobs

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Post by rhacker »

mustacheemperor wrote: post #412
rhacker wrote: post #388

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Well if you were to diagnose most companies there are probably 30-40 engineers that make the most value, like billions of dollars each. From there it starts dropping off like a long tail in search results. There's value, but a lot less than others. Cutting the long tail may still break huge areas of functionality - but the rest will patch and fix it over time. Heck there might be a team of 50 that has the sole respon…

Following along your theory, do you expect that Twitter will achieve meteoric profit successes once this damage is patched, and that there will be an epic staffing contraction across tech afterwards? If you are correct then Twitter is about to demonstrate to the entire tech market that their staff headcounts are factors of ten beyond what is necessary to achieve equal success, and we should expect a massive course co…

I do believe the theory. Most people working are head nodders and fix some widget. It only takes them 10 minutes a week to fix or tweak. The only reason the widget exists is so that the company can claim X feature exists in their portfolio. The fear of firing them is that the feature will eventually break and that person is no longer there. But at some point they'll realize it's super simple and can fix it. - But the fear of cutting endless departments like that is so powerful. Any yes, the top performers don't want to work on widget X even if it's 10 minutes of their day.

Here's the analogy - lots of startups with 50 employees have sold for billions right. Once the company sells the payout potential is OVER which at that point those 30 of those 50 leave (within a year) and are replaced with 1000 people to take over and slowly add new features. Now remember the codebase still exists that has revenue potential that can feed 1000 or more people, but they did it with 50.

So the code is paying for the product, it's just stable and maybe making a little profit per year. That's enough to justify it.

But startups prove all the value is in those 50 people. The other 1000? they're all replaceable but in a union. The union is that idea that ANY headcount reduction is bad press. Why'd you fire Zak, I'm leaving too!

rant over

Re: Twitter in chaos as employees accept Musk’s invitation to quit their jobs

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Post by def_true_false »

starik36 wrote: post #249
sschueller wrote: post #74

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Me too and I feel quite vindicated as I have been saying it for a long time that Musk is an incompetent fraud with incredible amounts of luck. Edit: actually less vindicated but more happy that I don't have to hear from people how great Elon is any more.

I wish I could upvote you twice. Totally incompetent fraud. I mean SpaceX was a total stroke of luck. Sometimes you just get the right mixture of methane and oxygen by accident and the rocket just blasts off by itself. And we definitely wouldn't have to go grovel to the Russians had SpaceX not been the only company in US capable of delivering astronauts to ISS. Same with Tesla and his other previous companies - just…

Well, now the US has outsourced to Musk not only the space capabilities but also the groveling to the Russians. In for a penny, in for a pound?

Re: Twitter in chaos as employees accept Musk’s invitation to quit their jobs

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Post by mustacheemperor »

systemvoltage wrote: post #426
mustacheemperor wrote: post #416

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>head over to r/conservatives and see what the discussion is like. They will welcome progressives and disagreeing views This is absolutely untrue. I generally do not engage in political discussion on hackernews so politics entirely aside, from a reddit content moderation standpoint this is just a falsehood. It is one of the most tightly moderated subreddits on the website and users are banned rapidly and constantly f…

> absolute fabrication So you're accusing me of making it up? malice? I am just stating what I've experienced for over a year of browsing and participating on r/conservative. Instead of trusting me or you, I'll just leave the link here for people to decide: https://www.reddit.com/r/conservative And to add to the accusation, I've found the opposite on Reddit and HN. Stating conservative opinions are not welcomed at al…

I'm not accusing you of malice or of intentionally making it up from whole cloth, you could really believe you're seeing a lightly moderated balanced exchange of opinions in that community. But the truth is anyone who does follow that link and attempt to share "progressive and disagreeing views" will quickly discover that is not the case, so your characterization is just wrong. My best interpretation of your experience is just that you are just mistaken in your perception that you see open discussion of progressive and disagreeing views on /r/conservative. Just read the sidebar on the sub:

>a place on Reddit for conservatives, both fiscal and social, to read and discuss political and cultural issues from a distinctly conservative point of view.

And the further explanation linked in the sidebar:

>We are not a debate forum for left wing people. Conservatives can debate one another...We are not a place for explanation. /r/Conservative is for conservatives to discuss and share news with other conservatives

>We are not fair and balanced. We don't pretend to be unbiased. We don't pretend to give all commenters equal time. This is by conservatives and for conservatives.

I think that description contradicts the characterization you made of this community in your earlier reply as "welcoming progressive and disagreeing viewpoints." That's why I think you may just be mistaken about what you see being discussed, because by its own definition that community is not actually exposing you to equitable discussion of progressive or contradictory viewpoints.

I would agree Reddit and HN do skew to the left overall but that's entirely beside the point of whether or not /r/conservative is a community openly welcoming discussion from both sides of the aisle. I agree people can and should reach their own decision but in my opinion the subreddit's sidebar makes its purpose readily apparent and anyone's experience participating in discussion will likely line up to it. And again, this is all really tangential to that commenter's original reply to you, and I'm going to bow out now with the postscript that I would have liked to read your answer to their question.

Re: Twitter in chaos as employees accept Musk’s invitation to quit their jobs

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Post by siva7 »

kenjackson wrote: post #225
ineptech wrote: post #198

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I had a similar thought - perhaps Elon was visited by a time traveler from the future who convinced him that the only way to stave off some impending disaster is for someone to drive Twitter into bankruptcy as quickly as possible, and he heroically offered to ruin his fortune and reputation to save humanity. That's a stupid idea, but it would elegantly explain his recent behavior...

Honestly, I think you could convince a non-trivial portion of the US population that this is completely true.

This has to be the deepest insight from all this circus.

Re: Twitter in chaos as employees accept Musk’s invitation to quit their jobs

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Post by mehrdada »

jakelazaroff wrote: post #148
mehrdada wrote: post #100

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100% agree. Once the dust settles my prediction is productivity will also soar.

Why would this happen? From the outside, it seems like Elon is absolutely decimating employee morale. See for example this thread from an engineer who has no beef with Elon and wants to see Twitter succeed, but still took the severance: https://twitter.com/peterclowes/status/1593458225533313025

At this point, the company was hemorrhaging cash. He had no choice but to stop the bleeding. It is a messy process and time works against you; mistakes will be made.

Once he gets to stabilize the cash flow, Twitter can provide a comp model to attract talent. About that, let's just say Geohot would not have worked for Parag, as an example. https://twitter.com/realGeorgeHotz/status/159295542717976576...

Re: Twitter in chaos as employees accept Musk’s invitation to quit their jobs

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Post by tgma »

anonymousab wrote: post #170
jakelazaroff wrote: post #148

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Why would this happen? From the outside, it seems like Elon is absolutely decimating employee morale. See for example this thread from an engineer who has no beef with Elon and wants to see Twitter succeed, but still took the severance: https://twitter.com/peterclowes/status/1593458225533313025

If you burn everything to the ground and then basically hire a whole new team to work on a whole new app and platform, then your productivity has nowhere to go but up.

Mmm... to be clear the baseline is not after you burn it to the ground, but before the acquisition.

Re: Twitter in chaos as employees accept Musk’s invitation to quit their jobs

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Post by AustinDev »

shagie wrote: post #434
AustinDev wrote: post #107

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I'd take that bet. 1BTC?

Linked elsewhere in this thread - https://polymarket.com/market/will-twitter-report-any-outage... And no, I don't gamble on events or crypto.

I understand why cowards will proclaim both the death of twitter and bitcoin and not back it up with their wallet. However, you are neither thanks for the link.
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