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UK food price inflation hit 16.2% in October – cost of food basics surging

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Re: UK food price inflation hit 16.2% in October – cost of food basics surging

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Post by throw827474737 »

chrisseaton wrote: post #26
bbojan wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Swiss type deal isn't working for the Swiss anymore. EU was putting pressure on the Swiss to accept a comprehensive deal to replace the dozens of agreements that they have. When the Swiss refused, the EU simple lets one by one pass without renewing them. This has e.g. happened with the Horizon Europe research program which Switzerland is no longer part of.

> This has e.g. happened with the Horizon Europe research program which Switzerland is no longer part of. That’s so self-destructive - surely the EU needs Switzerland’s powerful universities more than Switzerland needs Horizon?

The other way round..

Re: UK food price inflation hit 16.2% in October – cost of food basics surging

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Post by Proven »

bsnnkv wrote: post #30

I left the UK for the US in 2019. My I-485 was approved this week. I haven't been able to travel back to the UK since 2019 first because of Covid and then because of the pending I-485 petition. I'll be going back for the first time once my card is delivered. Reading about what has been happening over the past years in the UK while sitting in the US is really strange. Sometimes it feels like reading about a cartoonish…

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Re: UK food price inflation hit 16.2% in October – cost of food basics surging

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Post by the_mitsuhiko »

COGlory wrote: post #22
CommanderData wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Brexit has caused immigration from non-EU countries to increase. According to the government's own statistics we've seen massive increases from countries like India despite the anti-immigration rhetoric displayed by the Tories. We've also got a partnership with India that helps fill in the gaps. Not to mention the record study visa's issued to India. "India first again. I’m delighted that Indian nationals were issued…

Ok, but net migration is still way down: >An estimated 202,000 citizens from other EU countries immigrated to the UK in the year to September 2018, and about 145,000 emigrated abroad. So EU ‘net migration’ was around 57,000—roughly the lowest level recorded since 2009. >In the year before the referendum, net EU migration was estimated at 189,000, so there’s been a large fall following the vote. Obviously other countr…

Not sure what your quote is supposed to say. It doesn't mention anything about total net migration. This is from Steptember 2022 about immigration to the UK: https://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN06...

If you look at that report you will notice that the main change to net migration was Covid-19 and even with that, it's pretty steady but you can see that EU migration is down significantly but completely compensated by non EU immigrants (page 16).

Re: UK food price inflation hit 16.2% in October – cost of food basics surging

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Post by bigbillheck »

chrisseaton wrote: post #26
bbojan wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Swiss type deal isn't working for the Swiss anymore. EU was putting pressure on the Swiss to accept a comprehensive deal to replace the dozens of agreements that they have. When the Swiss refused, the EU simple lets one by one pass without renewing them. This has e.g. happened with the Horizon Europe research program which Switzerland is no longer part of.

> This has e.g. happened with the Horizon Europe research program which Switzerland is no longer part of. That’s so self-destructive - surely the EU needs Switzerland’s powerful universities more than Switzerland needs Horizon?

My understanding was that the EU has many universities.

Re: UK food price inflation hit 16.2% in October – cost of food basics surging

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Post by themihai »

CommanderData wrote: post #11
rjsw wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Brexit has removed one way to keep wages down - import more people. I don't think that the central bank solution of putting up interest rates to reduce the number of jobs is going to help, people still need to eat.

Brexit has caused immigration from non-EU countries to increase. According to the government's own statistics we've seen massive increases from countries like India despite the anti-immigration rhetoric displayed by the Tories. We've also got a partnership with India that helps fill in the gaps. Not to mention the record study visa's issued to India. "India first again. I’m delighted that Indian nationals were issued…

I think that has always been part of the plan. The issue with EU was that the "immigrants" were acually citizens of the union which means the EU guaranteed them the same rights as british nationals.

There was also the issue that some EU countries(i.e Italy) were giving italian/EU citizenship to fresh immigrants from Africa so that they can travel to the UK. For some reasons a big part of the UK didn't like that for obvious reasons.

Re: UK food price inflation hit 16.2% in October – cost of food basics surging

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Post by [deleted] »

Aachen wrote: post #34
bsnnkv wrote: post #30

I left the UK for the US in 2019. My I-485 was approved this week. I haven't been able to travel back to the UK since 2019 first because of Covid and then because of the pending I-485 petition. I'll be going back for the first time once my card is delivered. Reading about what has been happening over the past years in the UK while sitting in the US is really strange. Sometimes it feels like reading about a cartoonish…

Not sure everyone here speaks UK form numbers. An I-what?

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Re: UK food price inflation hit 16.2% in October – cost of food basics surging

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Post by ChuckNorris89 »

chrisseaton wrote: post #26
bbojan wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Swiss type deal isn't working for the Swiss anymore. EU was putting pressure on the Swiss to accept a comprehensive deal to replace the dozens of agreements that they have. When the Swiss refused, the EU simple lets one by one pass without renewing them. This has e.g. happened with the Horizon Europe research program which Switzerland is no longer part of.

> This has e.g. happened with the Horizon Europe research program which Switzerland is no longer part of. That’s so self-destructive - surely the EU needs Switzerland’s powerful universities more than Switzerland needs Horizon?

Switzerland is also land locked by the EU. Surely Switzerland needs trucks with food, fuel, construction, raw materials and other essential imports, coming in on a regular basis more than the EU needs Switzerland's universities. You can't eat money or live in a house built from research papers to survive.

I'm not saying EU would ever do something that radical, but my point is, the EU has far more screws to turn on Switzerland in case of a diplomatic conflict, than vice versa.

Which is why Switzerland tightened their banking secrecy regulations at the insistence of the EU despite Switzerland not being beholden to EU laws.

Re: UK food price inflation hit 16.2% in October – cost of food basics surging

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Post by the_mitsuhiko »

chrisseaton wrote: post #26
bbojan wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Swiss type deal isn't working for the Swiss anymore. EU was putting pressure on the Swiss to accept a comprehensive deal to replace the dozens of agreements that they have. When the Swiss refused, the EU simple lets one by one pass without renewing them. This has e.g. happened with the Horizon Europe research program which Switzerland is no longer part of.

> This has e.g. happened with the Horizon Europe research program which Switzerland is no longer part of. That’s so self-destructive - surely the EU needs Switzerland’s powerful universities more than Switzerland needs Horizon?

> That’s so self-destructive - surely the EU needs Switzerland’s powerful universities more than Switzerland needs Horizon?

Switzerland in practical terms needs the EU more than the EU needs Switzerland. The current situation is suboptimal for both sides obviously, but from the EU side you can mostly ignore that discourse.

Re: UK food price inflation hit 16.2% in October – cost of food basics surging

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Post by IMTDb »

racktash wrote: post #25

I genuinely fear for the UK. It's going to be a very different country in ten years, and I fear it will be a weaker, poorer and more divided one. I don't know for sure what the main cause of our current problems is, but I know that it's not a single issue. Brexit, Covid-19 and the war with Russia – not one of these issues alone is the cause of our problems. My hope for the country rests in the fact that it still has…

> I know that it's not a single issue. Brexit, Covid-19 and the war with Russia – not one of these issues alone is the cause of our problems.

Only one of these issue is UK specific tho; so either your fears extend to the rest of Europe and/or the western world, or you can pinpoint the cause of your anxiety.

Re: UK food price inflation hit 16.2% in October – cost of food basics surging

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Post by mnd999 »

rwmj wrote: post #19
mytailorisrich wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To compete after Brexit the UK needed to break with the status quo and that most likely meant, as many Brexiteers suggested, going for low tax low regs. Indeed, if the level of taxes and regulations in the UK is the same as in the EU then why setup a business in the UK rather than in the EU? We see that the current government is unwilling to go down that path, although Covid did throw a major spanner in the works of…

Any attempt to do that would be political suicide, as indeed Liz Truss recently demonstrated.

Suicide is less of an issue if you’re already dead though.
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